Josh Gordon discussion

[dark2332]

Everyone says he was busted for weed, but that is only haf true.

First bust was for weed. Cheech and Chong moment in college, passed out at taco bell drive through.
2nd bust was for purple drank, codeine
3rd bust for weed, wouldn't have been a bust under today's standards
4th bust for alcohol. In program, plead guilty to a drinking a driving, was randomly tested getting of plane in vegas.

Only half of Gordon's bust are for weed, 2 should not have been busts imo, the 3rd and 4th but he did know the rules.

Dont care much about him, he hanst been appreciative, Gordon has been pretty shady, but the stance on weed and the NFL is over the top and to say once you get a dui you can no longer drink is also ridiculous.

I say fuck Gordon and Roger Goodell.

You are forgetting number 5, which was him being suspended indefinitely again last off-season. He had been re-instated at that point and had been given a 4-game suspension. Then, he got suspended indefinitely again.

Also, the "Cheech and Chong" moment in college was him getting the boot from two different universities for multiple failed tests. He had no choice but to go to the supplemental draft.

I like the talent Josh Gordon possesses, and I am not advocating cutting him or anything. He hurts no one being suspended and us maintaining control of him.

I'm just saying, let's not defend the guy. He's an idiot.

 

[Triplethreat]

If I remember correctly wasn't he denied last summer as well before being reinstated in the fall?

 

[Real Deal]

First of all, he didn't drop his agent. His agent dropped him. When does an agent drop a player? Ding ding. They've given up on him.



Second of all, he is indefinitely suspended. He was denied when he was told he was allowed to appeal. Thus, he clearly did something. He did something. Whether you agree on the weed stance in the NFL or not, he did something against the rules.

If he had been following the rules, he....
1) Wouldn't have been dropped by his agent.
2) He would have been reinstated.

So, let's stop assuming here. The fact is he is still suspended. Players get suspended for reasons.

Calling a spade a spade. I like it. There is no hope, actually the hope is not seeing him play another down. He ruined his privilege.

 

[Lee]

You are forgetting number 5, which was him being suspended indefinitely again last off-season.

He never fully came back, he went into re-hab and had no failed tests or anything.

Part of his shadyness, but it wasnt number 5.

 

[Los216]

First of all, he didn't drop his agent. His agent dropped him. When does an agent drop a player? Ding ding. They've given up on him.



Second of all, he is indefinitely suspended. He was denied when he was told he was allowed to appeal. Thus, he clearly did something. He did something. Whether you agree on the weed stance in the NFL or not, he did something against the rules.

If he had been following the rules, he....
1) Wouldn't have been dropped by his agent.
2) He would have been reinstated.

So, let's stop assuming here. The fact is he is still suspended. Players get suspended for reasons.

You can't say that and then say he did something. We don't know. Period. That's why I said it's lazy to assume he did anything. And agents cut ties with player for all kinds of shit. Josh Gordon isn't a special case of that.

 

[dark2332]

He never fully came back, he went into re-hab and had no failed tests or anything.

Part of his shadyness, but it wasnt number 5.

He was reinstated by the NFL last season. Given a 4 game suspension and everything, but reinstated.

He failed again, hence why he went back to indefinite suspension.

 

[Los216]

If I remember correctly wasn't he denied last summer as well before being reinstated in the fall?

Yes. he reinstatement was previously delayed and when he finally did get reinstated he went to rehab.

 

[dark2332]

You can't say that and then say he did something. We don't know. Period. That's why I said it's lazy to assume he did anything. And agents cut ties with player for all kinds of shit. Josh Gordon isn't a special case of that.

Hmm. Josh Gordon was drafted by the Browns in July of 2012. You joined RCF in November of 2012, after the first basketball season gets rolling.... after you've been drafted..... wait for it....

Are you Josh Gordon?

 

[Lee]

He was reinstated by the NFL last season. Given a 4 game suspension and everything, but reinstated.

He failed again, hence why he went back to indefinite suspension.

No failed test was announced, he went back into rehab before the start of the 4 game suspension.

He might have used the rehab to avoid a drug test, but he didnt take the drug test.

 

[dark2332]

No failed test was announced, he went back into rehab before the start of the 4 game suspension.

He might have used the rehab to avoid a drug test, but he didnt take the drug test.

He went from being reinstated, to being suspended indefinitely again. He went to rehab.

He would not have been suspended indefinitely again had he not had a reason to be.

For instance, what if he only went to rehab for 4 weeks to benefit himself personally and then elected to return to the NFL for week 5 or 6? He should've been able to do that. It would've been an odd choice, but it would have been a perfectly legal one by NFL rules. However, he was not allowed to do that because he was suspended again. For a reason.

It may not have been announced, but there was a reason. And there's also a reason he decided to go to rehab.

As far as "not failing the drug test," he was tested all the time.

 

[Los216]

Hmm. Josh Gordon was drafted by the Browns in July of 2012. You joined RCF in November of 2012, after the first basketball season gets rolling.... after you've been drafted..... wait for it....

Are you Josh Gordon?

No I am not Josh Gordon. I have met him and chilled with him and his brother before though. He also has a really nice family. The perception that people have of him based on some pretty ridiculous and inconsistent NFL rules are crazy to me. Just like that post that @Lee made earlier his suspensions have been inconsistent by the NFL. I will admit that he has delt with issues outside of football that most people have no idea about but he's being "painted" as some wreckless weed head and I just think that's slanted. I'm just surprised to see so many people side with the NFL establishment and not more with the players on these issues. The NFL hasn't handled themselves well at all especially the last 10 years but they continue to get the benefit of doubt over the players majority of the time.

 

[Ohio]

No I am not Josh Gordon. I have met him and chilled with him and his brother before though. He also has a really nice family. The perception that people have of him based on some pretty ridiculous and inconsistent NFL rules are crazy to me. Just like that post that @Lee made earlier his suspensions have been inconsistent by the NFL. I will admit that he has delt with issues outside of football that most people have no idea about but he's being "painted" as some wreckless weed head and I just think that's slanted. I'm just surprised to see so many people side with the NFL establishment and not more with the players on these issues. The NFL hasn't handled themselves well at all especially the last 10 years but they continue to get the benefit of doubt over the players majority of the time.

The NFL is a fucking joke and Goodell is a disgrace.

Josh Gordon can still go fuck himself, though.

 

[dark2332]

No I am not Josh Gordon. I have met him and chilled with him and his brother before though. He also has a really nice family. The perception that people have of him based on some pretty ridiculous and inconsistent NFL rules are crazy to me. Just like that post that @Lee made earlier his suspensions have been inconsistent by the NFL. I will admit that he has delt with issues outside of football that most people have no idea about but he's being "painted" as some wreckless weed head and I just think that's slanted. I'm just surprised to see so many people side with the NFL establishment and not more with the players on these issues. The NFL hasn't handled themselves well at all especially the last 10 years but they continue to get the benefit of doubt over the players majority of the time.

I do not agree with the NFL's rules. I also think that Josh Gordon has been made an example of in some instances, which is not fair.

However, it's not like the rules aren't written down somewhere. Fair or not, overboard or not, they are the rules. Just don't break them and all shall be fine.

If he was committed to this career in this league of the privileged, I would think he would go out of his way to be above and beyond compliant. Especially after 4 or 5 run-ins with the league and 2nd chances.

 

[Los216]

He went from being reinstated, to being suspended indefinitely again. He went to rehab.

He would not have been suspended indefinitely again had he not had a reason to be.

For instance, what if he only went to rehab for 4 weeks to benefit himself personally and then elected to return to the NFL for week 5 or 6? He should've been able to do that. It would've been an odd choice, but it would have been a perfectly legal one by NFL rules. However, he was not allowed to do that because he was suspended again. For a reason.

It may not have been announced, but there was a reason. And there's also a reason he decided to go to rehab.

As far as "not failing the drug test," he was tested all the time.

Ah man you're missing the point. The reason he is currently not reinstated isn't because he was suspended for a failed test. When you enter ant substance abuse treatment program the NFL automatically places you on the inactive/indefinite list. You don't have a choice if you enter rehab to do so for as long or as short as you want and then come back and resume play. It's like when a player faces legal action. They can't say "Hey I need to take off the next 5 weeks to go and take care of some legal issues, court, etc I'll be back when I'm finished." The NFL automatically steps in and takes control of your playing status. The only reason why people are connecting Josh going to rehab with a failed drug test is because of his past. Remember he could have checked himself into rehab for alcohol or pills and it would not have mattered. He still would have been placed on an inactive status by the NFL. People are just trying to connect dots.

 

[Los216]

I do not agree with the NFL's rules. I also think that Josh Gordon has been made an example of in some instances, which is not fair.

However, it's not like the rules aren't written down somewhere. Fair or not, overboard or not, they are the rules. Just don't break them and all shall be fine.

If he was committed to this career in this league of the privileged, I would think he would go out of his way to be above and beyond compliant. Especially after 4 or 5 run-ins with the league and 2nd chances.

Well it's easy to say don't break the rules but the rules literally changed while he was suspended that would have prevented his suspension so that kind of sucks. Also the part about going above and beyond to be compliant is why I brought up issues outside of football. There are current NFL players who deal with depression. I know one of them personally. It's not as cut and dry for every player. Some guys just deal with things and can't get a handle on it as good or as fast as other players can. It doesn't mean they aren't trying to though.