Josh Gordon discussion

[Soda]

Yep. This is the part that threw me for a loop. He is getting bad, misguided advice from Johnson. It worries me that he's putting his faith in the wrong people who gleefully admit they're out to make a buck off of his heartbreaking story.

Josh specializes in the wrong people. He's got the enablers feeding him stuff that has him focusing on things outside football. Come to think of it, when he describes his jump to the NFL (before being interrupted by Johnson for a private prep meeting), it sounds like someone testing a means to an end, not a guy who wants to play football.

 

[Binkster]

And yet... Part of me wonders how much of his story is rooted in truth? I'm choosing to take him at his word right now but... When you openly admit you want to sell a story for book sales and movie deals... And that story has suddenly become so fantastical and far-fetched that it is now stranger than fiction... Is it possible some of it is embellished?

I look at Josh Gordon - heralded as this quiet kid when he first arrived. He was even described as somewhat of a loner in the locker room. We knew he was a stoner but now he's suddenly a gangster who was involved in shootouts and hardcore drug-dealing? Drinking gallons of booze out of his locker? Stealing a car every day? And he never once got caught?

I don't know if I see that but maybe I'm naive? However, if any bit of this story was falsified as a means to profit under false pretenses... He is lost beyond comprehension.

 

[Los216]

Nothing in that story is new information to Roger Goddell or The Browns. It's just new information to everyone else. Anyone who controls when he plays again already heard this.

 

[Chris]

And yet... Part of me wonders how much of his story is rooted in truth? I'm choosing to take him at his word right now but... When you openly admit you want to sell a story for book sales and movie deals... And that story has suddenly become so fantastical and far-fetched that it is now stranger than fiction... Is it possible some of it is embellished?

I look at Josh Gordon - heralded as this quiet kid when he first arrived. He was even described as somewhat of a loner in the locker room. We knew he was a stoner but now he's suddenly a gangster who was involved in shootouts and hardcore drug-dealing? Drinking gallons of booze out of his locker? Stealing a car every day? And he never once got caught?

I don't know if I see that but maybe I'm naive? However, if any bit of this story was falsified as a means to profit under false pretenses... He is lost beyond comprehension.

No, you're not naive, I had the same exact thought. Not one part of me doubts at least part of this narrative is exaggerated and embellished. To me, it's moot though. Can he help this team? If so, let's get him on the field and see what he can do then reassess this offseason. If not, buh bye.

 

[Jack Brickman]

No, you're not naive, I had the same exact thought. Not one part of me doubts at least part of this narrative is exaggerated and embellished. To me, it's moot though. Can he help this team? If so, let's get him on the field and see what he can do then reassess this offseason. If not, buh bye.

Yeah, given that Corey Coleman is basically our only good receiver right now, there's no reason not to put Gordon out there and see if he can still play.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I'm not going to paste the entire content, but this MMQB article is illuminating. Makes me a little nervous. Didn't know Josh is working with two convicted crooks.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/11/28/josh-gordon-interview-cleveland-browns-nfl

Best case scenario is that Gordon comes back and is fantastic. The problem is that I thimk there is almost no way Gordon re-signs in Cleveland. Apart from lingering resentment, it just doesn't fit the path of fame he and his agent have laid out.

 

[Pick6]

Best case scenario is that Gordon comes back and is fantastic. The problem is that I thimk there is almost no way Gordon re-signs in Cleveland. Apart from lingering resentment, it just doesn't fit the path of fame he and his agent have laid out.

That's OK IMO. He buys the franchise time if he is available and playing at an NFL level. They can even tag him if he is playing up to his potential for another year if they'd like. Having a star WR for 2-3 more full seasons buys plenty of time to address the issue and other issues.

 

[Los216]

That's OK IMO. He buys the franchise time if he is available and playing at an NFL level. They can even tag him if he is playing up to his potential for another year if they'd like. Having a star WR for 2-3 more full seasons buys plenty of time to address the issue and other issues.

He doesn't have 2-3 more season to ball out though. While he is still relatively young at 26 he needs that big contract before he turns 28. he's not getting a top dollar contract at 29 with his history. That's an important thing to keep in mind for all the people who think he will be easy to flip if he balls out. If he plays up to his potential which is best WR in the whole league then you are going to have to seriously pay him. Right now he has a window to get that payday and The Browns have him for the nest 2 seasons in that window. So if another team is going to take a chance on him they are going to have to do 2 things. pay him and pay him soon.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

He doesn't have 2-3 more season to ball out though. While he is still relatively young at 26 he needs that big contract before he turns 28. he's not getting a top dollar contract at 29 with his history. That's an important thing to keep in mind for all the people who think he will be easy to flip if he balls out. If he plays up to his potential which is best WR in the whole league then you are going to have to seriously pay him.

Just because Gordon "needs" a big contract doesn't mean teams are going to give him one, nor should they. Smartest thing in the world a team could do with Josh if he truly balls out is to franchise him or twice after the expiration of his current contract. So, you'd trade him in the offseason to a team that would get him for a year under his current contract -- great deal for them -- then has the option to franchise him for the next year or two. If he's truly balling out, that's a fair price to pay, and it comes without a long-term commitment.

Even if a team did give him a "long-term commitment", it likely would not include a large signing bonus because of the risk of him doing what he does best. It would in essence be a year to year deal, with the team free to cut him at any time. Maybe a partial guarantee in future years contingent on him not getting busted again, but that's it.

Now, if he manages to stay clean for this season plus a couple more, and looks to be in good shape, a team might give him a big contract and signing bonus then. But it will literally take him being clean for at least 3 seasons before a team would consider that.

 

[Los216]

Just because Gordon "needs" a big contract doesn't mean teams are going to give him one, nor should they. Smartest thing in the world a team could do with Josh if he truly balls out is to franchise him or twice after the expiration of his current contract. So, you'd trade him in the offseason to a team that would get him for a year under his current contract -- great deal for them -- then has the option to franchise him for the next year or two. If he's truly balling out, that's a fair price to pay, and it comes without a long-term commitment.

Even if a team did give him a "long-term commitment", it likely would not include a large signing bonus because of the risk of him doing what he does best. It would in essence be a year to year deal, with the team free to cut him at any time. Maybe a partial guarantee in future years contingent on him not getting busted again, but that's it.

Now, if he manages to stay clean for this season plus a couple more, and looks to be in good shape, a team might give him a big contract and signing bonus then. But it will literally take him being clean for at least 3 seasons before a team would consider that.

Which is why the best thing for both sides would be to keep him here.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Which is why the best thing for both sides would be to keep him here.

Except if he does not want to be here, keeping an unhappy Josh Gordon anywhere he does not want to be is probably not a good idea. That's why I led off my other post by saying I'd doubt he'd stay here after the expiration of his contract. Unless there is some complete, convincing about face where he and his agent convince the Browns this offseason that they really, really want to stay here, I think they'll trade him.

 

[Los216]

Except if he does not want to be here, keeping an unhappy Josh Gordon anywhere he does not want to be is probably not a good idea. That's why I led off my other post by saying I'd doubt he'd stay here after the expiration of his contract. Unless there is some complete, convincing about face where he and his agent convince the Browns this offseason that they really, really want to stay here, I think they'll trade him.

But two things need to happen. He has to play really well for another team to even be willing to take a risk and he only has 5 games to do that. The 2nd thing is if a team is willing to take a chance after seeing him for 5 games they also have to be fully prepared to invest in all that he brings. Which means they need to be prepared to give up good compensation (there's no way we trade him if it isn't for good compensation) and be willing to basically take on all his risk. That's asking for a lot from a new team. We have the benefit of being more familiar with him than any team. If anything the best time to trade him would be at the deadline next season. Gives you more time to see him on the field and we'll get to see if he can make it through a whole offseason.

There's really not a lot of motivation for any team to want to get him right now. They understand his contract situation like we do but they aren't dealing with all the other things that he brings.

 

[Los216]

View: https://twitter.com/JOSH_GORDONXII/status/935916074465484801

 

[2 For The Brew]

Like a lot of people I have someone in my family who has a truly awful addiction problem. He's been clean a couple of years now, and is close to 60 years old.

I just hope Josh can make it through these five games and stay sober.

 

[Los216]

Josh Gordon will finish this season with better numbers than Terrelle Pryor had this year.