MLB 2023 Draft

[Niklex316]

Power isn't just HRs. Too many of you guys are associating HRs as the sole producer of power. It's part of it. But Jose isn't a great power hitter because he hits 20+ HRs a year, it's because he hits 20+ HRs and adds in 40 2Bs a year and a handful of triples.

But just to entertain your question. Did we not just see Josh Naylor reach 20 HRs last year? Or is it that when guys are traded to us from other teams and they do well and take their game to the next level it's the previous teams who did the developing, but when we trade guys to other teams and they play well and take their game to the next level it's because they developed them and did what we couldn't? Did Gimenez not just come off a 17 HR season after combining to hit 18 in his final 3 years with New York?

I feel like you guys are lacking a bit of common sense here when it comes to the topic of "power". We have the youngest group of hitters in baseball at the moment for the 2nd consecutive season. For most players, power is the last trait to come along and develop at the MLB level. Unless we filled in our roster with a bunch of freaks, which are few and far between, it's ridiculous to expect young hitters to be plus power hitters right out of the gate. Hitting is very hard to do in the MLB. Hitting for power is even harder.

Look at the leader of this team, Jose, as a good example. It took him 1300 MLB plate appearances to become the power hitter we know him to be today. 2 full seasons worth of plate appearances. And Lindor and his development. It took him 1100 MLB plate appearances to become the power hitter he is today. Again, 2 full seasons worth of plate appearances. The league is littered with guys exactly like that. Power, unless in rare cases, typically takes time. Its why slugging % usually peaks for guys between their age 28 and 29 seasons well after batting average and OBP and after a few thousand plate appearances.

You have to trust that the same group that developed the Brantley, Kipnis, Santana, Lindor, Ramirez, Gomes core and made some savvy moves to supplement the lineup around them that was eventually a top 5 slugging offense for a few years is going to be able to do the same with this core group that looks an awful lot like the 2015 version of the Indians before Jose and Lindor took off.

You obviously know your stuff but do you have to be so arrogant every post you make? 99% of this board doesn’t do it for a living like yourself.. so excuse the lack of ‘common sense’ amongst some whose just trying to discuss some baseball. I don’t understand why you post so ‘offended’ all the time. If you had some nightmarish encounter with idiots on here previous I don’t know about then I apologize In advance lol. I guess you just seem like you’re mad every time you post and was just wondering why… that’s all…. Not including telling posters your nuts are in their mouths etc….

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

You obviously know your stuff but do you have to be so arrogant every post you make? 99% of this board doesn’t do it for a living like yourself.. so excuse the lack of ‘common sense’ amongst some whose just trying to discuss some baseball. I don’t understand why you post so ‘offended’ all the time. If you had some nightmarish encounter with idiots on here previous I don’t know about then I apologize In advance lol. I guess you just seem like you’re mad every time you post and was just wondering why… that’s all…. Not including telling posters your nuts are in their mouths etc….

Correction: 100% of us outside of Bimbo don't do this for a living.

I don't think his post is arrogant or offended. I feel that people aren't used to dealing with information that corrects their previously held notions--and that cognitive dissonance leads them to calling out the other person's demeanor.

 

[Niklex316]

Got it. My bad. It just read that way for me. I don’t spend a ton of time on here admittedly so like I said, there are things that I’m probably not privy to.

 

[Criznit]

@sportscoach @petes999

This is my source, seems right to me. Sign on Saturday, show up on Monday...

Now it is a ceremony, and not happening on a "business" day. I'm sure it worked out (contractually speaking) to maximize benefit as much as possible.

 

[petes999]

This was his tweet just before the draft. As I was mentioning, once signed the two weeks/15-day acclimation period to baseball (setting up apartment) and doing the Cleveland this is how you prepare for game action ... take a few grounders to get comfortable with your surroundings, etc. ... starts. Then after the 15-days, Guardians can still hold them back from playing but they count towards the 180.

 

[sportscoach]

@Criznit @petes999

Seems like it would be around Aug 6th or so that all the players have to be state side, so that's after the trade deadline. So that's about 20ish players getting moved between the 5 teams...

 

[DCTribefan]

This was his tweet just before the draft. As I was mentioning, once signed the two weeks/15-day acclimation period to baseball (setting up apartment) and doing the Cleveland this is how you prepare for game action ... take a few grounders to get comfortable with your surroundings, etc. ... starts. Then after the 15-days, Guardians can still hold them back from playing but they count towards the 180.

How can you get comfortable in 118-degree temperatures? Just saying.

 

[petes999]

@Criznit @petes999

Seems like it would be around Aug 6th or so that all the players have to be state side, so that's after the trade deadline. So that's about 20ish players getting moved between the 5 teams...

Why this is really a big deal? I don't know all the rules but

4 - full season teams - limited to 28-30 players on active roster

Arz Cmplx - has maybe 40 or so but no real limit

If you take 30 x 5 = 150, maybe 160 with Arz, .... But 60-day DL doesn't count (nor players on MLB 40 man). Add back in a few short-term 7-day injuries, move others to the 60-day dL (who were not really going to return this season anyways) to avoid them being counted.... not a huge issue.

You may cut a few people here or there. Yet the teams in trouble are those with 2 Arz teams as for next year that 180 can be (most likely) cut by mlb to 165 next year (so most mlb clubs saw their bloated minor leagues anyways -- stashed players like Arias who is suspended anyways or 4th Columbus catcher in Rodriquez - on development list -- hoping to hit the lotto while paying pittance).

Then, you factor in that Arz games only go into Aug 12 and Lynchburg to end of Aug and Lake County Sept 10th (ignoring playoffs). So, if you need to stash an Ingle at Lynch for a few weeks and cut Fascia the 3rd catcher -- it is not a big deal. There is also enough fringe prospects like Amditis, Arias, Rodriquez, Hart, .... that can be easily cut. But, they are not going to rush a highly regarded prospect to replace these guys that barely played as it is. There is a development plan (for some may have included a promotion around this time anyways - around All-Star break). But, they are not going to change the plan just to rush a highly regarded catcher like Lopez up the system because an upper level ex-prospect Rodriquez or Amditis got cut. Maybe a Planchart comes up to take their place ... but is that the wow people wanted in waiting for promotions?

 

[sportscoach]

Why this is really a big deal? I don't know all the rules but

4 - full season teams - limited to 28-30 players on active roster

Arz Cmplx - has maybe 40 or so but no real limit

If you take 30 x 5 = 150, maybe 160 with Arz, .... But 60-day DL doesn't count (nor players on MLB 40 man). Add back in a few short-term 7-day injuries, move others to the 60-day dL (who were not really going to return this season anyways) to avoid them being counted.... not a huge issue.

You may cut a few people here or there. Yet the teams in trouble are those with 2 Arz teams as for next year that 180 can be (most likely) cut by mlb to 165 next year (so most mlb clubs saw their bloated minor leagues anyways -- stashed players like Arias who is suspended anyways or 4th Columbus catcher in Rodriquez - on development list -- hoping to hit the lotto while paying pittance).

Then, you factor in that Arz games only go into Aug 12 and Lynchburg to end of Aug and Lake County Sept 10th (ignoring playoffs). So, if you need to stash an Ingle at Lynch for a few weeks and cut Fascia the 3rd catcher -- it is not a big deal. There is also enough fringe prospects like Amditis, Arias, Rodriquez, Hart, .... that can be easily cut. But, they are not going to rush a highly regarded prospect to replace these guys that barely played as it is. There is a development plan (for some may have included a promotion around this time anyways - around All-Star break). But, they are not going to change the plan just to rush a highly regarded catcher like Lopez up the system because an upper level ex-prospect Rodriquez or Amditis got cut. Maybe a Planchart comes up to take their place ... but is that the wow people wanted in waiting for promotions?

It's not a big deal, but that's the time we will see a roster shuffle and I am curious how they will handle the Rule 5 eligible players and the older, less effective guys in the upper minors...

 

[MadThinker88]

Just FYI but I understood the CLE stateside player development roster stood at 175 as the draft was getting started.
That number was via Justin Lada/ Arthur Kinney.

 

[Gson]

How can you get comfortable in 118-degree temperatures? Just saying.

...but it's dry heat...

 

[kriegs]

They call him "Tugboat".

Perfect.

My new favorite player?

 

[Gson]

They call him "Tugboat".

Perfect.

....pound for pound, the least expensive signing of the draft !!

 

[Tondo]

13th rd Bresnahan got 375K (225K against pool), that's 5th round money.

Pretty good deal on Wilkinson, surprised he signed for only 110K after that JuCo season at 20yo and committed to Arizona State.

 

[MadThinker88]

13th rd Bresnahan got 375K (225K against pool), that's 5th round money.

Pretty good deal on Wilkinson, surprised he signed for only 110K after that JuCo season at 20yo and committed to Arizona State.

Perhaps the reputation of the CLE pitching development helped. If he declined signing, he might have gotten nabbed by a team in a future draft with a poor track record for developing pitching.