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What needs elaboration?
Asserting that Condon probably isn’t a major leaguer any moreso than the other top prospects is absurd and calling that out and suggesting that someone who believes that probably doesn’t need to be taking seriously in regards to draft opinions requires no additional elaboration
Asserting that draft decisions on individual players made 10-20 years ago have any relevance to our process now, who’s in charge, who’s setting developmental path, etc is also just completely irrelevant to the team in place making the selections in the 2024 draft. Pointing that out also doesn’t require much elaboration
Following the MLB draft and college baseball for years. With most numbers being equal, 2 things will always be important how college numbers translate to pro ball
1. Summer League (Cape and Northwoods)
2. BB/K ratio
Back in the 2018 draft I banged the drum hard for an overlooked college player, who didn't even make Top 500 lists, a true big school sleeper. He had a 50/18 BB/K ratio in his draft season at Oregon State. CLE took him in round 5 and since he was considered an overdraft even there, he signed under slot. 4 years later he was the Guardians leadoff hitter and still is.
T. Bazzana goes to Oregon State, one of the best baseball colleges. He has a 49/17 ratio, but with much more power
1. Summer League (Cape and Northwoods)
2. BB/K ratio
Back in the 2018 draft I banged the drum hard for an overlooked college player, who didn't even make Top 500 lists, a true big school sleeper. He had a 50/18 BB/K ratio in his draft season at Oregon State. CLE took him in round 5 and since he was considered an overdraft even there, he signed under slot. 4 years later he was the Guardians leadoff hitter and still is.
T. Bazzana goes to Oregon State, one of the best baseball colleges. He has a 49/17 ratio, but with much more power
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First AZ didn't point anything out. He bomb the conversation and ran away.
That said How long has Chris Antonetti been with the organization?
And how long has he been a decision maker in the organization.
First answer is 24 years.
Second is 13.
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Sure on CA, but that is highly reductive in terms of the systems and profile that is now in place, at least imo
Lol
Based on what? They are still drafting the EXACT same profiles that they were back 15 years ago.
The exact same. I'm just curious why you think what they did under the same leadership, valuing the same scouting profile doesn't matter when we can go right back to last year's draft picks and international signings scouting report and read the exact same plus and minus as we did for players then.
To dismiss it is incredibly just straight comical, but what's worse is that we're supposed to pretend Condon has the same floor and same chance to fail as any other prospect when they all have different flaws is just as comical.
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The way AZ said stuff was the issue... the first poster just doesn't believe Condon will be a legit big leaguer...
Honestly, majority of draft picks fail to get to MLB, so if you feel a player won't make it, then I am not against saying you don't believe they will make it...
Last year they didn't exactly stay with the same profiles though, Velazquez and Clemmey aren't what they normally have been targeting lately... The draft was headed by someone else since that was their first season doing so
I think you may be too harsh on Condon to be sincere, but if you don't believe he will make it, I don't blame you for saying to stay away from him...
IF we go by the norm style of player though, Cleveland has been targeting, Bazzana is definitely the one that fits the best.
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If the biggest consideration is the floor of the prospect, they should only draft hitters that also pitch so they can have a chance to fail as a hitter and a pitcher.
In baseball, you expect most picks to never be relevant major league players since most draftees are never relevant major league players. In that world, it makes sense to draft mostly for ceiling since you are expecting a huge failure rate anyway.
In baseball, you expect most picks to never be relevant major league players since most draftees are never relevant major league players. In that world, it makes sense to draft mostly for ceiling since you are expecting a huge failure rate anyway.
Clemmy fits what they've been drafting for the last decade, if not more.
Jacob Zibin, Brady Aikan, Ethan Hankins, Daniel Espino, Mitch Brown, Dillon Howard, the FO has a history of going after those 6'3 or 6'4 high school pitchers that throw 94+ MPH, they do in fact have a history of taking a chance on them. And that list is just from the last 12 years or so, add in Clemmy and that's one every other year just off the top of my head without looking up other names scouting reports. That's often enough to call it a trend.
I also never said Condon wasn't a major leaguer or had less odds. That never once happened.
What I DID say is that if his power doesn't translate, he's probably not a major leaguer because it's true, at least in our system. He's too cement footed to play the outfield at the major league level, we have at the very least Manzardo and Jose at the corner infield spots for a while and that's not including if we resign Naylor and don't move Arias to 3rd if we full time DH Jose to extend his career, so where does Condon play if he isn't a 30+ home run guy?
Think about it this way, everyone says college ball is about A/A+ level right ? Condon still hasn't made a permanent home in the field and still doesn't make any wow or spectacular plays in the outfield, and that's not even including the times UGA has replaced his position in the field. A lot of what holds him back is his physical profile when it comes to running and turning and running.
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I think you just believe Condon is more of a fit than he is no matter what, which is laughable to me.
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Condon is a fit for a need, that's for sure... That is what got people in Cleveland really thinking about it...
What I've seen from a lot of Cleveland fans, If we want power in the system so bad why aren't we pounding the table for Cags ?
He's got 65 career home runs in the SEC, so for all this talk about how Condon is facing better competition than Bazzana, Caglianone is facing the same competition. Condon might hit 40 home runs, but Caglianone is also only 1 home run behind him right now. Neither team is all around great so it's hard to say who's going to go deeper in the tournament.
Caglianone has struck out way less than Condon this year. Caglianone has only struck out 14 times this year, Condon is at 31. Condon has a higher OBP, but he's been intentionally walked more than Caglianone has been intentionally walked and HBP combined. Condon has taken quite a few HBP.
Neither one is going to be a good/great fielder, but Caglianone has a much better chance because he's got a powerful throwing arm.
Caglianone started pitching less and focused more on improving his hitting and his average is up, walks are up, ks are down, what happens when he gives up pitching and focuses full time on hitting ?
The people who want Condon for his power and home runs threat, why not the guy who has 500+ foot home runs on his resume? Why not the guy who's average home run distance last year was somewhere around 407 and which is the best in the last decade for college hitters. (Dont quote me on that as a guarantee, I saw it on Twitter a few months ago and haven't found it since)
He's got 65 career home runs in the SEC, so for all this talk about how Condon is facing better competition than Bazzana, Caglianone is facing the same competition. Condon might hit 40 home runs, but Caglianone is also only 1 home run behind him right now. Neither team is all around great so it's hard to say who's going to go deeper in the tournament.
Caglianone has struck out way less than Condon this year. Caglianone has only struck out 14 times this year, Condon is at 31. Condon has a higher OBP, but he's been intentionally walked more than Caglianone has been intentionally walked and HBP combined. Condon has taken quite a few HBP.
Neither one is going to be a good/great fielder, but Caglianone has a much better chance because he's got a powerful throwing arm.
Caglianone started pitching less and focused more on improving his hitting and his average is up, walks are up, ks are down, what happens when he gives up pitching and focuses full time on hitting ?
The people who want Condon for his power and home runs threat, why not the guy who has 500+ foot home runs on his resume? Why not the guy who's average home run distance last year was somewhere around 407 and which is the best in the last decade for college hitters. (Dont quote me on that as a guarantee, I saw it on Twitter a few months ago and haven't found it since)
You don't draft for need in baseball though. At least we haven't in my memory.