Moore's Law and the power of exponential advancement

[Cavatt]

Bumping this because nobody talked about Max's post. A drug that potentially reverses aging (at least to some extent) is preparing for human trials and no comment? There are testing Nicotinamide Mononucleotide. There are supplements on the market which contain Nicotinamide Riboside, which is supposed to have similar effects. One is this:

https://www.elysiumhealth.com

Which is a direct result of this research:

http://www.kurzweilai.net/a-new-and-reversible-cause-of-aging

I am worried about this. I think people who live too long may get so stuck in their ways they will be trying to bring back coal jobs in 200 years. Progress will grind to a halt and the population will explode. Birth rate are down everywhere, but the population is going up because fewer people are dying everywhere. If you can keep your fortune for 1000 years, consolidation of wealth will reach crazy proportions.

Anyway, not a fan of reversing aging, and that comes from someone who loves and respects his 94 year old grandma. I am not purporting that old people are useless, but you have your time and you have to make the most of it. If you are given unlimited time, a lot of incentives to do things go away.

 

[Cratylus]

I am worried about this. I think people who live too long may get so stuck in their ways they will be trying to bring back coal jobs in 200 years. Progress will grind to a halt and the population will explode. Birth rate are down everywhere, but the population is going up because fewer people are dying everywhere. If you can keep your fortune for 1000 years, consolidation of wealth will reach crazy proportions.

Anyway, not a fan of reversing aging, and that comes from someone who loves and respects his 94 year old grandma. I am not purporting that old people are useless, but you have your time and you have to make the most of it. If you are given unlimited time, a lot of incentives to do things go away.

Fuck that shit, dude. I want my own personal Holodeck. Which means either I need to live a whole hell of a lot longer than I normally would, or they need to get cracking on that thing like NOW!

 

[Cavatt]

Fuck that shit, dude. I want my own personal Holodeck. Which means either I need to live a whole hell of a lot longer than I normally would, or they need to get cracking on that thing like NOW!

Yeah everyone wants that, so we are going to have a bunch of 800 years old losers jerking off in the holodeck.

 

[KI4MVP]

I am worried about this. I think people who live too long may get so stuck in their ways they will be trying to bring back coal jobs in 200 years. Progress will grind to a halt and the population will explode. Birth rate are down everywhere, but the population is going up because fewer people are dying everywhere. If you can keep your fortune for 1000 years, consolidation of wealth will reach crazy proportions.

Anyway, not a fan of reversing aging, and that comes from someone who loves and respects his 94 year old grandma. I am not purporting that old people are useless, but you have your time and you have to make the most of it. If you are given unlimited time, a lot of incentives to do things go away.

complete nonsense.

First of all, how would keeping more of the people who are driving progress alive and healthy slow progress down? Are we somehow progressing faster because Einstein, Edison, Tesla, Newton, etc, all died?

Second, how do you decide what is too long to live. It wasn't that long ago that the average lifespan was half of what it is today. Progress certainly isn't happening slower today than it did with shorter lifespans.

Populations wouldn't explode, and people wouldn't live forever. They just wouldn't have arbitrary limits placed on how long they can live. The earth is a long way away from running out of room (see the many empty cities they built in China) and the universe is massive.

And consolidation of wealth is eventually going to be largely irrelevant as society reinvents itself because of the massive impact AI will have in the coming years and decades.

Its the dumbest thing ever that our bodies fall apart on us while we're busy living. We may very well be on the verge of changing this.

 

[Cavatt]

complete nonsense.

First of all, how would keeping more of the people who are driving progress alive and healthy slow progress down? Are we somehow progressing faster because Einstein, Edison, Tesla, Newton, etc, all died?

Second, how do you decide what is too long to live. It wasn't that long ago that the average lifespan was half of what it is today. Progress certainly isn't happening slower today than it did with shorter lifespans.

Populations wouldn't explode, and people wouldn't live forever. They just wouldn't have arbitrary limits placed on how long they can live. The earth is a long way away from running out of room (see the many empty cities they built in China) and the universe is massive.

And consolidation of wealth is eventually going to be largely irrelevant as society reinvents itself because of the massive impact AI will have in the coming years and decades.

Its the dumbest thing ever that our bodies fall apart on us while we're busy living. We may very well be on the verge of changing this.

Just gonna say for every Edison there are millions of assholes out there. If you have to make an undeniable contribution to society I could get behind that. I don't want David Duke living for 200 years

 

[KI4MVP]

Just gonna say for every Edison there are millions of assholes out there. If you have to make an undeniable contribution to society I could get behind that. I don't want David Duke living for 200 years

Imagine the situation was reversed, that nobody aged or got any of the aging related diseases. Would you support a mandatory pill that induced aging and caused aging related diseases like althiemers, arthritis, diabetes, heart disease, cancer, and eventually complete body failure/death? That's effectively the same thing as opposing a cure to aging.

 

[Cavatt]

Imagine the situation was reversed, that nobody aged or got any of the aging related diseases. Would you support a mandatory pill that induced aging and caused aging related diseases like althiemers, arthritis, diabetes, heart disease, cancer, and eventually complete body failure/death? That's effectively the same thing as opposing a cure to aging.

you would have never been born if that were true. people complain about young people not taking responsibility when their adolescence is extended. what is going to happen whe people live hundreds of years? it will be a hedonistic gross society where people who should be adults are children. look at the baby boomers now. they act like petulant children and dont take responsibility for anything. we look to the greatest generation to be adults because the boomers havent even become adults yet.

sickness and death are a part of life. gratefulness come from the negative. people will be entitled jerks once they can live too long. death is the only thing that makes us all equal and humbles even the most arrogant

 

[Adam]

One of the key players at ARM has said recently that moores law is coming to an end

https://www.nextplatform.com/2017/0...wilson-also-thinks-moores-law-coming-end/amp/

 

[KI4MVP]

you would have never been born if that were true. people complain about young people not taking responsibility when their adolescence is extended. what is going to happen whe people live hundreds of years? it will be a hedonistic gross society where people who should be adults are children. look at the baby boomers now. they act like petulant children and dont take responsibility for anything. we look to the greatest generation to be adults because the boomers havent even become adults yet.

sickness and death are a part of life. gratefulness come from the negative. people will be entitled jerks once they can live too long. death is the only thing that makes us all equal and humbles even the most arrogant

you have such an incredibly negative view of your fellow human beings. My experience has been that most people are good people.

Let me ask you this, if someone did cure aging, would you take the cure?

Also, nobody ever said curing aging would end death. It's impossible to end death. Everyone will die, with or without a cure for aging, because the universe itself won't last forever.

Also, aging isn't natural. Aging happens because your body accumulates damage. Far from just accepting it, your body tries to correct/reverse that damage. It just doesn't do a good enough job. Curing aging involves helping the body do a better job of what it already is trying to do.

Being against curing aging is the same as being against curing the diseases of aging, like Alzheimers, heart disease, metabolic syndrome, etc. Those things go away if aging is cured.