Net Neutrality

[Triplethreat]

I'm an expert at this stuff... and from a consumer perspective, I'd really like an explanation as to the possible benefits?

Additional Economic growth being the primary benefit.

 

[-Akronite-]

They definitely are large enough but the question will be were they going to be the best at it. The best option might never grow to market now with the tolls they will have to pay. NN repeal hurt startups from jumping into the market and competing with the big boys. It's another barrier now, just controlled by 3 big ISPs.

And the thing is, why do they NEED to be "large enough?" The issue with repealing NN isn't just that the hurdles it creates for these giants, which could cost us more money, it's the barrier it's putting up in front of potential innovation on the internet.

Looking at this and saying "oh Netflix will survive" is so short-sighted because we are creating roadblocks for the next Netflix.

 

[Stark]

How would this potentially affect online gaming options and networks such as Steam, Xbox Live through Microsoft, and PSN through Sony?

Higher charge for subscription, on in Steam's case, an actual paid subscription?

 

[TyGuy]

And the thing is, why do they NEED to be "large enough?" The issue with repealing NN isn't just that the hurdles it creates for these giants, which could cost us more money, it's the barrier it's putting up in front of potential innovation on the internet.

Looking at this and saying "oh Netflix will survive" is so short-sighted because we are creating roadblocks for the next Netflix.

Netflix existed before net neutrality guys.

 

[TyGuy]

How would this potentially affect online gaming options and networks such as Steam, Xbox Live through Microsoft, and PSN through Sony?

Higher charge for subscription, on in Steam's case, an actual paid subscription?

They all existed just fine before net neutrality.

 

[Binkster]

There is plenty of innovation to be had at both the software and infrastructure level.

I work as a fiber PM for the second biggest ISP in the country. The biggest innovation in about 50 years just took place in 2017 - fiber - and investing heavily in fiber over coax for the very first time. My job prior to this was as a software implementation PM.

Infrastructure innovation does not happen at even a fraction of the pace of software. ISPs have to pivot their entire businesses (workforce, capital, product offerings, contractors, etc.) just to accommodate a single, major update in 50 years.

Salesforce (for example) rolls out a massive backend overhaul on an annual basis with incremental updates every month.

With fiber, everything must now be built new over the entirety of the country. Massive relocation and layoffs take place, new contractors are hired, sales staffs are re-trained. That's the cost of an infrastructure update.

You're out of your element here, Donny.

 

[BMAN]

They all existed just fine before net neutrality.

Fuck man, we get it, everything was fine two years ago

 

[TyGuy]

I work as a fiber PM for the second biggest ISP in the country. Our biggest innovation in about 50 years just took place in 2017 - fiber - and investing heavily in fiber over coax for the very first time. My job prior to this was as a software implementation PM.

Infrastructure innovation does not happen at even a fraction of the pace of software. ISPs have to pivot their entire businesses (workforce, capital, product offerings, contractors, etc.) just to accommodate a single, major update in 50 years.

Salesforce (for example) rolls out a massive backend overhaul on an annual basis with incremental updates every month.

With fiber, everything must now be built new over the entirety of the country. Massive relocation and layoffs take place, new contractors are hired, sales staffs are re-trained. That's the cost of an infrastructure update.

You're out of your element here, Donny.

Fiber has exited before net neutrality guy.

 

[TyGuy]

Fuck man, we get it, everything was fine two years ago

So why is it all of a sudden Armageddon?

 

[Huber.]

To just ignore and dismiss the possible benefits of this action is being so damn naïve.

People acting like it's Armageddon in here. Time will tell.

If you want people to overact, just say "repeal Obama-era mandates."

 

[-Akronite-]

Netflix existed before net neutrality guys.

Before net neutrality was OFFICIAL, but the point of net neutrality is preserving the freedom of the internet (that allowed for Netflix and countless other innovations) from being infringed upon. That's why ISPs want this repeal and almost literally zero websites or online innovators want it.

As I stated, having this discussion with you is a pointless exercise because you've ignored the fairly straightforward counterpoints to your posts.

 

[TyGuy]

How will startups ever exist again! Same way as before. Getting investment money.

 

[-Akronite-]

To be clear, net neutrality is the norm. TyGuy's claims that it's a just invented regulation that has nothing to do with the innovation of the internet disregards the fact that those innovations took place under the conditions that net neutrality is preserving.

 

[Triplethreat]

How will startups ever exist again! Same way as before. Getting investment money.

If your product is good, it's good. It's as simple as that. It will still work, but you won't be able to produce it at the top tier speeds? Who gives a fuck. I'll still use a good product.


On the flip side, I guess we're just going to ignore the benefit of stimulating more economic growth? More money circulation, upping competition between these larger corporations. More jobs. Pushing these corporations stock prices to ultimately new highs and bigger gains. Definitely leading to much stronger UNITED STATES financial assets, which leads to more foreign investors, etc.

Please. If you're just going to ignore the benefits don't even comment on the repeal because it's an awful look. There are benefits.

 

[gourimoko]

The day that my ISP attempts to install ads into my browsing software is the day I cancel my subscription.

They don't need to install ads in your browsing software, they'll simply reroute your traffic through their DNS servers. You can change that, but.. that's how mobile companies would choose to start throttling...