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Yes, the president does have the authority to use military force against American citizens on US soil—but only in "an extraordinary circumstance," Attorney General Eric Holder said in a letter to Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) on Tuesday.

"The US Attorney General's refusal to rule out the possibility of drone strikes on American citizens and on American soil is more than frightening," Paul said Tuesday. "It is an affront the constitutional due process rights of all Americans."

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/201...an-use-lethal-force-against-americans-us-soil

Just reporting the less important news of the day. Nothing to see here.
 
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WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration believes it could technically use military force to kill an American on U.S. soil in an "extraordinary circumstance" but has "no intention of doing so," U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said in a letter disclosed Tuesday.

Holder's March 4 letter was disclosed by Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), who had asked whether the Justice Department believed President Barack Obama had the legal authority to order a targeted strike against an American citizen located within the United States.

The Obama administration, Holder said, rejected the use of military force where "well-established law enforcement authorities in this country provide the best means for incapacitating a terrorist threat." But in theory, it'd be legal for the president to order such an attack under certain circumstances, Holder said.

"The question you have posed is therefore entirely hypothetical, unlikely to occur, and one we hope no president will ever have to confront. It is possible, I suppose, to imagine an extraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary and appropriate under the Constitution and applicable laws of the United States for the President to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States," Holder wrote.

"For example, the president could conceivably have no choice but to authorize the military to use such force if necessary to protect the homeland in the circumstances like a catastrophic attack like the ones suffered on December 7, 1941, and September 11, 2001," Holder continued, referring to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. Holder said he would "examine the particular facts and circumstances" if such an emergency were to arise.

Paul, who had threatened to filibuster the nomination of John Brennan as CIA director over secrecy about the U.S. drone program, said in a statement that Holder's "refusal to rule out the possibility of drone strikes on American citizens and on American soil is more than frightening -- it is an affront the Constitutional due process rights of all Americans." Holder's letter was first reported by Adam Serwer of Mother Jones.

Holder is scheduled to appear before the Senate Judiciary Committee for a Justice Department oversight hearing on Wednesday morning. Earlier in the day, members of the Senate Intelligence Committee said the administration had agreed to allow members of the committee to see all of the Office of Legal Counsel memos relating to the targeted killing of American citizens.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...d=maing-grid7|main5|dl2|sec1_lnk2&pLid=279022
 
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Preparing for the fight against gun control. Putting the warning out early. I see what they are doing. There is a war coming.
 
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"For example, the president could conceivably have no choice but to authorize the military to use such force if necessary to protect the homeland in the circumstances like a catastrophic attack like the ones suffered on December 7, 1941, and September 11, 2001," Holder continued, referring to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. Holder said he would "examine the particular facts and circumstances" if such an emergency were to arise.

I love him demagoguing Pearl Harbor and 9/11 for this. I wonder what U.S. citizens he would have drone bombed after we were attacked by the Japanese or the Saudis.
 
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Not sure where he was going with Pearl Harbor but I can understand what he's talking about with the 9-11 thing. If a plane is hijacked it's now a weapon with innocent life on board. The government, if given enough time and clarity, could have identified it as such and shot it down before it reached its destination. Essentially killing 300 lives to save 3,000.
 
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Not sure where he was going with Pearl Harbor but I can understand what he's talking about with the 9-11 thing. If a plane is hijacked it's now a weapon with innocent life on board. The government, if given enough time and clarity, could have identified it as such and shot it down before it reached its destination. Essentially killing 300 lives to save 3,000.

Or you could allow plane security to be properly armed and not have to worry about it. There is always a better answer than surrendering your right to life to government whim.
 
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Or you could allow plane security to be properly armed and not have to worry about it.

Define plane security and armed. Because there are armed air martials out there. Are you suggesting MORE security or are you suggesting or that martials are armed better?

From my understanding, there are not many air martials up there at all.
 
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Or you could allow plane security to be properly armed and not have to worry about it. There is always a better answer than surrendering your right to life to government whim.

Because firing a shot in a pressurized cabin 35,000 feet above the ground is a great idea...

If you're talking taser or stun gun then thats not such a bad idea.
 
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Obama just saw Dark Knight Rises and is preparing for Bain to threaten to kill people if they try to leave the city.
 
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Define plane security and armed. Because there are armed air martials out there. Are you suggesting MORE security or are you suggesting or that martials are armed better?

From my understanding, there are not many air martials up there at all.

Regardless of who you prefer to provide them, of course armed air marshals would be sufficient to stop hijackings. They certainly would have stopped 9/11. Then the government wouldn't need to claim the authority to slaughter Americans at their own will.
 
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Because firing a shot in a pressurized cabin 35,000 feet above the ground is a great idea...

I'm much more confident of airlines finding a solution to such a problem, if it is even a problem, than I am confident the government won't abuse the authority to kill us indiscriminately.
 
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Regardless of who you prefer to provide them, of course armed air marshals would be sufficient to stop hijackings. They certainly would have stopped 9/11. Then the government wouldn't need to claim the authority to slaughter Americans at their own will.

The problem there is that air marshals cost money, and it's completely unrealistic to have one on every flight, or even most flights. Giving pilots guns is tricky as well, because it would presumably require a ton of training, which also costs money. Given that airlines are already cutting pilot wages as much as they possibly can, I highly doubt that they would be willing to front the money to get every one of their pilots trained in the use of firearms.
 
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The problem there is that air marshals cost money, and it's completely unrealistic to have one on every flight, or even most flights. Giving pilots guns is tricky as well, because it would presumably require a ton of training, which also costs money. Given that airlines are already cutting pilot wages as much as they possibly can, I highly doubt that they would be willing to front the money to get every one of their pilots trained in the use of firearms.

Why do you of all people care what anything costs? If the government is involved, money is unlimited. That isn't what the thread is about anyway. I assume you are proud of your master coming out and admitting what a piece of shit he thinks you are, correct?
 

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