It is a totally fair question.
And yet you didn't answer it, in hundreds of words.
Lawyers.
It is a totally fair question.
On this subject, what are we thinking in regards to political religion? I.E., we have had some really informative conversations about Islam on here; conversely, we have had conversations about Islam that have led to nearly as many personal assaults as race. If we do, how are we defining the bright line? Is it just when personal assaults start?
Just so you guys know, I am 100% down to do this, but I want some serious ground rules first. I do not want to be God here and make rules up as I go. If we are going to do this I would rather us have this type of serious conversation first.
I am one thousand percent fine with letting people know they're just being closed off intellectually or myopic or irrational. I just think the words racism and bigotry carry a lot of weight and have a huge stigma. like a lot of people throw the words around way too freely so even if the offender IS guilty, they're shut down by the accusation because "they've seen this tactic before"If we're being honest about this, the General Terrorism thread got hijacked a year ago and turned into something really dark and targeted against Muslims.
The goal here is not to be an all-encompassing space that includes what genuinely amounts to bigotry; even if that word makes some uncomfortable on the outset.
The goal here is to resume, at a minimum, genuine political discourse.
I'm not arguing about debating Islamism or Political Islam; but I am talking about conversations that we have had here, without moderation, where the entire purpose was to malign Muslims and Islam as a religion.
You and I know the difference between Islam and Islamism, so it shouldn't be difficult for us to keep conversations focused on political matters.
And yet you didn't answer it, in hundreds of words.
Lawyers.
I always get great info from every angle in the political threads.
Not opposed to dropping rep.
"Sides" arguments made the thread horrible.
Forget about race. it's not happening here.
Post with respect. No one should be telling someone "how stupid their post is"
Moderating this is going to be hell. Thanks @jking948
Thank you @The Human Q-Tip for getting the convo started.
Have a Blessed Day! Dickhead.
If anyone else wants to take over trying to shepherd this into something workable, please be my guest. I was asked to start this thread, but if anyone has a problem with it...shit, I really don't care. I'm perfectly fine with no political threads here, and really don't need this headache.
To be blunt, I don't think there is enough of a consensus to make this work anyway. Too much division between those who want very minimal moderation, and those who want something more.
I just wanna step in for a second and point something out..
We asked Q-Tip to do this.. Myself and @King Stannis explicitly sought out his (reluctant, lol) advice, consent and approval for the idea...
Q-Tip is trying to have as open a dialogue and discussion as possible on the topic. So giving him a hard-time about this makes literally no sense when all he's trying to do is open up a discussion that was otherwise already being had.
People getting on his case are just proving why I've said an invite system is probably needed. Maybe even a closed-thread entirely where those not invited can't even read the posts.
I'll post more of my thoughts on this in the morning, but people really shouldn't be attacking Q-Tip for just trying to be open about this.
Make the rules however the people creating it want them to be. If people don't like those rules, then they can excuse themselves from participating.