Q-Tip,
You should have said from the beginning that gouri was involved in this. But you didn't because you knew some people wouldn't have anything to with it if they knew. The fucking guy quotes me, then changes a word or two to misrepresent what I said as bigoted and racist. And I'm going to "buy in" to giving this guy the power to invite/exclude posters? No way!
You were approached and asked to start this thread in an effort to assuage the right leaning members.
But from the very beginning the whole truth was not being told.
@gourimoko was never proposed, by himself or by anyone else, as a moderator. In terms of inviting/excluding posters, I have said
repeatedly that I favor letting everyone in initially, and for the moderator -- again, not
@gourimoko -- to exclude people only based on conduct that would happen in the new forum.
Ask yourself why Ben wants a buy-in from regular posters.
As far as I know, he doesn't -- I've never communicated with him at all about any of this this. My only point -- which I've been very upfront about from the beginning -- is that people running off to Ben gets threads closed.
Therefore, I came up with the guideline,
on my own, that everyone has to agree not to run off and bug Ben just because they don't like something in the forum. I thought that made sense, and was essential if a new forum was to survive.
You seem to dislike it when posters report other posters, so I really can't fathom why you are against this. I figured you'd be one of the guys who'd
agree.
Which is why, for all your good work, when I ask for an explanation of who will have the power to invite & exclude, you owe me a fucking answer if you want my trust.
I owe you the same thing I owe everyone else here.
Nothing. Zip, zero. I have not asked for your "trust", and don't even want it. I'm not getting jack shit for doing this, and it's been a huge pain in the ass. I've wanted everything out in the open precisely so "trust" isn't an issue.
I was trying to start a
discussion. When I was contacted about this by
@King Stannis -- I initiated nothing -- I said that I wasn't comfortable talking about this just among ourselves, and said we should toss it out to see whatever the consensus was about how to proceed. I haven't tried for a second to dictate or control anything in this thread, and frankly, neither has
@gourimoko or
@King Stannis . If anything, I've been pushing people to state their own opinions honestly, and even liked
your post because you brought up issues with which I largely agree.
You started this thread. Own it.
Make me.
You asked for questions. Answer them. If its up to Ben, say its up to Ben. If its Stannis, say its Stannis. If its a committee vote with you gouri and Stannis, say that. If you don't know, say you don't know.
There
isn't a damn answer! Haven't you figured it out yet? This is/was an effort to construct a
proposal to bring to Ben. The parameters aren't decided. It isn't even decided
how those parameters are going to be decided, or even
who is going to do the deciding. This is a fucking
discussion where hopefully some consensus would be developed as to how to proceed.
That being said,
any group of posters is free to go to Ben whenever they wish, and make whatever proposal they wish. And he's obviously free to okay it, or tell them to go fuck themselves.
I am asking questions and forcing the issues, which even you, in an earlier post, said will probably exclude me from the proposed forum.
I paraphrase...'Being a dick in here will probably not work out well for you'.
I quote: "Have a Blessed Day! Dickhead."
For some reason I really can't fathom, you've been hostile as hell towards me in this thread. Nevertheless.....
Quit the persecution complex. I have said, repeatedly within this thread, that I think invites should be
open. I don't want to exclude
anyone at the outset, which frankly was the key point of disagreement between the other two guys and myself. I said I wouldn't be a part of excluding people at the outset, and we were at an impasse on that issue. So I then suggested tossing it all out for everyone to discuss, and they agreed. That's where we are right now.
What is so bizarre about this is that your concerns
are the exact same freaking ones I raised, which is why this is being discussed openly rather than some secret forum already existing. You're busting my chops when I've been on
your side the entire time.
Try some anger management or something. You're picking a fight with the wrong guy.