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Racial Tension in the U.S.

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There's also data on how the ending of unemployment benefit payments has a significant connection to how quickly the unemployed find work. No more government money coming in, the more likely you are to get a job. It's common sense, so it shouldn't be a surprise. I've personally argued with people who say that this is a bad thing -- that they shouldn't be forced to take jobs that are beneath their skill/education level just to survive.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/412777/study-2014s-employment-boom-almost-entirely-due-expiration-unemployment-benefits-Obama

Think Tanks are little more than political agendas dressed up as science. Having worked at one I can tell you funding heavily influences outcomes.

You guys can trade Think Tank studies to little avail.

Peer reviewed shit in respected Journals are about as close as one can get to "good" science in the soft sciences. And even then...

I actually agree with this -- but he asked if there was data, so....

Like I said, I've known enough people who were unemployed who flatly stated that they would have to get a job because their benefits were ending that I don't need a study anyway. It's pretty consistent.
 
I've seen a lot of sources that drive home Nathan's point.

Much of the research in this area has been driven by uber conservative groups.

Family Research Council was labeled a hate group by the SPLC.

Family and Religion Research Foundation is another similar organization with questionable motives.

The Heritage Foundation.


Would be nice to see something actually peer reviewed which doesn't drive the data to a predetermined conclusion.
 
I'm referring specifically to e.g. single unemployed mothers. Reduce welfare benefits to the point where they'll literally starve and/or go homeless, and yeah, a lot of them will marry a guy out of necessity.

I don't think marrying for economic security, at least in part, is a bad thing. It's one of the reasons people have always gotten married. It's two people working together in mutual support, and as for spousal abuse, women don't need to be married to a guy to have the shit beaten out of them.

Anyway, you're partially reversing cause and effect. The point isn't that getting married suddenly improves your life. It's that -- particularly for poor women -- the combination of not being married and having children cripples your earning ability.

Here's an piece from the non-conservative Brookings Institute that kind of outlines the entire issue in a nutshell. The basic research has been replicated in a bunch of different studies - including independently in the U.K., though if someone wants to find something disproving it, that's fine:

Three Simple Rules Poor Teens Should Follow to Join the Middle Class

Policy aimed at promoting economic opportunity for poor children must be framed within three stark realities. First, many poor children come from families that do not give them the kind of support that middle-class children get from their families. Second, as a result, these children enter kindergarten far behind their more advantaged peers and, on average, never catch up and even fall further behind. Third, in addition to the education deficit, poor children are more likely to make bad decisions that lead them to drop out of school, become teen parents, join gangs and break the law.

In addition to the thousands of local and national programs that aim to help young people avoid these life-altering problems, we should figure out more ways to convince young people that their decisions will greatly influence whether they avoid poverty and enter the middle class. Let politicians, schoolteachers and administrators, community leaders, ministers and parents drill into children the message that in a free society, they enter adulthood with three major responsibilities: at least finish high school, get a full-time job and wait until age 21 to get married and have children.


Our research shows that of American adults who followed these three simple rules, only about 2 percent are in poverty and nearly 75 percent have joined the middle class (defined as earning around $55,000 or more per year). There are surely influences other than these principles at play, but following them guides a young adult away from poverty and toward the middle class....

https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/...teens-should-follow-to-join-the-middle-class/

http://www.heritage.org/marriage-and-family/commentary/marriage-shows-the-way-out-poverty

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/soc...ay-in-school-keep-your-job-and-find-love.html

These three things are generally under the control of those individuals (assuming we're talking about getting pregnant while unwed as opposed to a divorce), and are not extraordinarily difficult to accomplish. Teen/unwed pregnancy, in particular, is the KOD for self-support/economic well-being.

This is how cultural/environmental factors can end up creating systemic poverty and lack of success. And unfortunately, given how these factors are largely within the control of individuals (or at least, the individual needs to be committed to doing them), top-down governmental solutions simply cannot fix the problem.
 
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Family Research Council was labeled a hate group by the SPLC.

Yes they were, weren't they? Along with 910 other "hate" groups. In fact, it was looking at the SPLC map labelling them a hate group that led that guy to shooting up one of their offices and murdering a worker.

Which circles back around to the point that it's not just Nazis....
 
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Family Research Council was labeled a hate group by the SPLC.

The SPLC is an organization with a very checkered reputation for throwing people/organizations under the bus with little to no evidence for being hateful. So while you're attacking one organization, it's interesting that you'd cite that organization. There was a reason that I used their website's hate map to bust @gourimoko's balls the other day.

This isn't to say that your overarching point isn't reasonable. Just that you guys have a very selective way of using ad hominem attacks on one another and each other's sources.
 
Do you subscribe to what Alex Jones is saying regarding what really happened in Charlottesville?

Do you subscribe Alex Jones' new habit of broadcasting with his shirt off to exercise and a healthy diet?
 
Interesting that the same people who think having children out of wedlock is so bad hate the idea of contraception so much. Because Jesus or something (I know, there are convoluted arguments that make it not be about religion, but they're not fooling anyone).
 
The SPLC is an organization with a very checkered reputation for throwing people/organizations under the bus with little to no evidence for being hateful. So while you're attacking one organization, it's interesting that you'd cite that organization. There was a reason that I used their website's hate map to bust @gourimoko's balls the other day.

This isn't to say that your overarching point isn't reasonable. Just that you guys have a very selective way of using ad hominem attacks on one another and each other's sources.

“Family Research Council believes that homosexual conduct is harmful to the persons who engage in it and to society at large, and can never be affirmed. It is by definition unnatural, and as such is associated with negative physical and psychological health effects.”
– Family Research Council website, 2016

“The reality is, homosexuals have entered the Scouts in the past for predatory purposes.”
– FRC Vice President Rob Schwarzwalder, on radio’s “The Janet Mefferd Show,” Feb. 1, 2013.

“[H]omosexual activists vehemently reject the evidence which suggests that homosexual men … are … relative to their numbers, more likely to engage in such actions [childhood sexual abuse] than are heterosexual men.”
– Peter Sprigg, Senior Fellow for Policy Studies at FRC, on why the Boy Scouts should not allow LGBT Scouts or leaders, FRC blog, February 1, 2013.

“The videos are titled 'It Gets Better.' They are aimed at persuading kids that although they'll face struggles and perhaps bullying for 'coming out' as homosexual (or transgendered or some other perversion), life will get better. …It's disgusting. And it's part of a concerted effort to persuade kids that homosexuality is okay and actually to recruit them into that lifestyle."
— Tony Perkins, FRC fundraising letter, August 2011

"Those who understand the homosexual community—the activists—they're very aggressive, they're—everything they accuse us of they are in triplicate. They're intolerant, they're hateful, vile, they're spiteful. .... To me, that is the height of hatred, to be silent when we know there are individuals that are engaged in activity, behavior, and an agenda that will destroy them and our nation."
—Tony Perkins, Speaking to the Oak Initiative Summit, April 2011

"We believe the evidence shows … that relative to the size of their population, homosexual men are more likely to engage in child sexual abuse than are heterosexual men."
— Peter Sprigg, "Debating Homosexuality: Understanding Two Views." 2011.

“While activists like to claim that pedophilia is a completely distinct orientation from homosexuality, evidence shows a disproportionate overlap between the two. … It is a homosexual problem.”
— FRC President Tony Perkins, FRC website, 2010

“[W]elcoming open homosexuality in the military would clearly damage the readiness and effectiveness of the force – in part because it would increase the already serious problem of homosexual assault in the military.”
— Peter Sprigg, “Homosexual Assault in the Military," 2010

"A little-reported fact is that homosexual and lesbian relationships are far more violent than are traditional married households."
—Timothy Dailey, FRC publication, "Homosexual Parenting: Placing Children at Risk," 2002

“Gaining access to children has been a long-term goal of the homosexual movement.”
— Robert Knight, FRC director of cultural studies, and Frank York, 1999

“[Homosexuality] … embodies a deep-seated hatred against true religion.”
— Steven Schwalm, FRC senior writer and analyst, in “Desecrating Corpus Christi,” 1999

"One of the primary goals of the homosexual rights movement is to abolish all age of consent laws and to eventually recognize pedophiles as the 'prophets' of a new sexual order."
—1999 FRC publication, "Homosexual Behavior and Pedophilia," Robert Knight and Frank York
 

The Democrat Senator from New York must be part of a hate group.
 
Interesting that the same people who think having children out of wedlock is so bad hate the idea of contraception so much.

Not this leftist shibbeloth again....

First, I raised the point, I don't hate the idea of contraception, so try addressing the meat of the argument rather than a red herring..

Second, contraception is far more accessible now than at any point in the past, yet unmarried pregnancies particularly among blacks are through the roof. And if abortion is your thing, the abortion rate among black teens is at 41% -- more than twice the national average of 18% - which includes the high rate of black abortions. In other words, unfortunately for the dream of Margaret Sanger, you can't kill black babies fast enough to solve this problem.

The whole cutesy leftist argument about conservatives and abortion/contraception v. individual responsibility is irrevelant to current policy because conservatives have lost that argument, and contraceptive/abortion policy -- particularly in urban areas -- is controlled by Democrats. So....why is the rate of teen/unmarried pregnancy so high?
 
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