Reallistically- How long before will it take to be a top 2-3 seed in the East?

[Obawan12]

This is impossible to answer. Kyrie and TT could end up being bust, we could fuck up this next draft, and then we would be suck for 5+ years, like the Bobcats, Knicks, Clippers, T-Wolves, and other teams did in the past decade. Or, we could hit on all our draft picks and trades and end up becoming a very good team fairly quickly. I hate to be the guy who points out the reality of things, but it's quite possible that we could suck for a very long time. Of course, it's all possible that we turn this ship around within 3 years. You just don't know whats going to happen a year from now, let alone 3+ years from now...

 

[Chris]

I say it will take until the 2015-2016 season and here are my reasons.

We need TWO more drafts of top 5-7 draft picks to really secure a young nucleus. Right now Irving, TT and Caspi are the only players for sure I know will be apart of the future and even Caspi and TT have a ton to prove. We can all agree that most of the players on this roster will be gone 3 years from now.
I feel we can get a top 5 draft pick in 2012, (core starter) and possibly 3 first round picks (sac and miami included) In 2013.
!n 2013, you could obtain one very good player and two very solid role players. Obtain 2-3 other role players via trade or FA and you could be ready to be a top 15 nba team by 2014.

Give the team a year to jell and by 2015 we could be a very solid ball club. However, there is no room for error in the draft. If Grant makes any mistakes on draft day the organization is doomed. We are going to have to be very very patient. I doubt there will be a playoff game at the Q until 2014 (2013 if Irving plays at a very highl level). I hope everyone realizes how long of a rebuild this will have to be! This is really year 1 of a 4-5 year rebuild in my opinion. Thoughts about the timeline?

TOTALLY agree. You saved me time by saying this. Some people think Irving and Thompson + our 2012 pick and we'll be on our way to a dynasty. They just don't understand. It will take at LEAST two more drafts of high picks to get us back to the level we were at, probably more.

I say if all goes according to plan, 2015-2016 is a great target. It may be later though.

That doesn't mean the years in between will not be fun and exciting. And it doesn't mean we won't see playoff basketball before then.

 

[davedugan43]

I think we will make the playoffs next season (2012-13)...Won't be in the upper-half (1-4 seed) until at least 2015.

 

[ajz20]

That is prety optimitic. Jamison, Parker and Sessions will be gone in 2013. That is a good thing, but those guys will be responsibe for a few wins this year you will not have in 2013.
I see us getting younger and younger, hopefully and I dont see a playoff team by next year. If we win too many games too qucikly that will actually hurt us.(sad but true) in the long term. We need to aquire two more big time talents as good or better then Irving. That is 2 more lotteries minimum, (hope we can have a great draft in 2103 with multiple picks) The qustion I forgot to pose in the original post is are the fans willing to wait and will they still attend games if it is a 4-5 year process?

I think we will make the playoffs next season (2012-13)...Won't be in the upper-half (1-4 seed) until at least 2015.

 

[The Process God]

I say it will take until the 2015-2016 season and here are my reasons.

We need TWO more drafts of top 5-7 draft picks to really secure a young nucleus. Right now Irving, TT and Caspi are the only players for sure I know will be apart of the future and even Caspi and TT have a ton to prove. We can all agree that most of the players on this roster will be gone 3 years from now.u
I feel we can get a top 5 draft pick in 2012, (core se
tarter) and possibly 3 first round picks (sac and miami included) In 2013.
!n 2013, you could obtain one very good player and two very solid role players. Obtain 2-3 other role players via trade or FA and you could be ready to be a top 15 nba team by 2014.

Give the team a year to jell and by 2015 we could be a very solid ball club. However, there is no room for error in the draft. If Grant makes any mistakes on draft day the organization is doomed. We are going to have to be very very patient. I doubt there will be a playoff game at the Q until 2014 (2013 if Irving plays at a very highl level). I hope everyone realizes how long of a rebuild this will have to be! This is really year 1 of a 4-5 year rebuild in my opinion. Thoughts about the timeline?

I agree with pretty much everything you said. It'll be 4-5 years before we reach that point, and that"s assuming. That grant ,doesn't. Fuck things up. We definitely need to just accumulate the shit out of picks.

 

[Chris]

I think we will make the playoffs next season (2012-13)...Won't be in the upper-half (1-4 seed) until at least 2015.

lolololol playoffs

 

[Pyro]

Let's put it another way... the Cleveland Browns will probably make the playoffs before the Cavs.

 

[Pavlovic3Ball]

Let's put it another way... the Cleveland Browns will probably make the playoffs before the Cavs.

I really doubt it. The Cavs are a mess, but the Browns are an abortion.

 

[Mdog1]

Let's put it another way... the Cleveland Browns will probably make the playoffs before the Cavs.

That's a lie and everyone knows it.

 

[germancav]

First of all you have to look at the other teams in the East... Its quite obvious that we wont be anywhere near the Bulls or Heat in the near future.

Behind that you have the Magic who are going to be in rebuilding mode next season (or even this season after Dwight has gone), I can see us beeing ahead of the Magic in 2013-2014 simply because they have no young talent whatsoever and the team is about to be completly destroyed and at the time this happens we already have a bit of chemistry. If this happens also depends on what the Magic get for Dwight, but Im pretty optimistic we are better then them in the mid-term.

Celtics are declining and going to get worse, I dont see them landing Dwight and they failed to get CP3. Green is out for the season with heart problems, leaving Rondo to be pretty much the only long-term player that they have right now. Big questionmark is how well they can rebuild around Rondo once the big 3 of Allen,Pierce,Garnett are finally over. Pretty much unpredictable to say if we can be ahead of them anytime soon because they remain a attractive FA destination.

Then you have the Knicks who are having no cap-space and no backcourt either... Melo, Stoudemire and Chandler are on long-term contracts but they are in their prime now and I cant see them as serious contenders. We should be ahead of them in the long term once Stoudemire and Chandler are declining or having injury problems.

Hawks are going nowhere, going to be slipping into NBA mediocrity in a few seasons when their long term players have declined.

So to speak, the Eastern Conference is not going to be too strong in a few years time. Magic, Celtics, Hawks are all going to decline or go into rebuilding mode. And looking at the rest of the teams I dont see any team clearly ahead of us, Pacers and 76ers are in a decent position now but they dont have a true #1 option and they wont get one in the coming years because they are too good to get great Picks.

If we hit on our Draft-Picks, especially in the 2012 Draft which has two potential franchise-players, I can see us beeing a contender at some point but it will take a lot of patience and luck in the draft lottery.

 

[Pyro]

Fine, the Indians. :chuckles:

 

[davedugan43]

Let's put it another way... the Cleveland Browns will probably make the playoffs before the Cavs.

I'll bet you any amount of money that that will not happen....

8 seeds vs. 6 seeds (adv. NBA)
Central Division vs. AFC North (adv. NBA)
Byron Scott vs. Pat Shurmur (adv. NBA)
Kyrie Irving vs. Joe Haden (adv. NBA)

 

[NarlCavs]

It could be a while. There's a difference from just making the playoffs to becoming a legit contender and top 3 seed. The Cavs are a long long way from being a top 3 seed.
They cannot miss on any top draft picks. The margin of error is far less for teams in markets like Cleveland compared to some other markets. You have to hit on all your transactions at a higher rate.

Hate to think it, but looking at Cavs history it's taken approx. 12-14 years between times of serious contention from Miracle of Richfield years to Price/Daugherty years to the most recent successful seasons. Cavs have a long way to go now so it's best to be patient. Hopefully the current regime can speed up the process a little from past history.

 

[Chris]

I'll bet you any amount of money that that will not happen....

8 seeds vs. 6 seeds (adv. NBA)
Central Division vs. AFC North (adv. NBA)
Byron Scott vs. Pat Shurmur (adv. NBA)
Kyrie Irving vs. Joe Haden (adv. NBA)

This logic...

Cavs will not be making playoffs in 2012-2013 by the way. lol.

 

[Pavlovic3Ball]

Is there a team in recent memory that had worse wing players than this Cavs team?