Running is dumb

[The Human Q-Tip]

I'm trying to get into running but can't seem to get past 6 miles before my feet are so sore, I can't put any weight on them. Like I'm not tired and feel like I can do 10 more, but my feet are so sore. Guess just have to take it little by little.

If you like it, you should get your feet analyzed by a decent podiatrist. Entirely possible it is a shoe/foot shape issue that can be fixed with inserts.

 

[bob2the2nd]

Running a 50K Saturday morning down in Peninsula. It’s part of the Western Reserve trail running series. My weight is down to 195. My body feels pretty good. It’s supposed to be a pretty tough course, but they all are down there. Elevation on the back end of it is an ass kicker.

can i ask how tall you are?

Im 5 10 and started running in November right around 208, and am now around 200. I know I am over weight and would love to get down to 180. But i dont feel like my weight is really holding me back, other than some general soreness the next day.

hopefully this run went well

 

[bob2the2nd]

If you like it, you should get your feet analyzed by a decent podiatrist. Entirely possible it is a shoe/foot shape issue that can be fixed with inserts.

Also once you get into running and find a shoe you really like, just buy a couple of pairs. When my wife first convinced me to run a half in 2016 I actually went to a running store and after like an hour and a half I found a shoe I really liked by new balance. For years i just stayed with that same line of shoe getting the new version. They decided to change up that line and i bought like 3 pairs in 2019 for a clearance shoe store online. This year I went back to the shoe store to get fitted and while the new line of new balance works, it definitely doesnt give me a much arch support as I would like. That said other than some sore arches to start a run its led to no other issues. So its overall acceptable to good, but not near what the previous line was.

Once i find a shoe I really like I am going to purchase 3 pairs.

 

[letgocavs]

Thanks. It's not just running for my feet though. I have really weak feet. I did kickboxing last week and my foot was swole for a day. I do need some comfortable running shoes though. I tried to will my way past 6 miles today and it just wouldn't happen

 

[CleveRocks]

Also once you get into running and find a shoe you really like, just buy a couple of pairs. When my wife first convinced me to run a half in 2016 I actually went to a running store and after like an hour and a half I found a shoe I really liked by new balance. For years i just stayed with that same line of shoe getting the new version. They decided to change up that line and i bought like 3 pairs in 2019 for a clearance shoe store online. This year I went back to the shoe store to get fitted and while the new line of new balance works, it definitely doesnt give me a much arch support as I would like. That said other than some sore arches to start a run its led to no other issues. So its overall acceptable to good, but not near what the previous line was.

Once i find a shoe I really like I am going to purchase 3 pairs.

Technique.. you want to run quiet.. if you hear your feet slap , not hood.. there are videos on this.. some distance guy impact primarily on the heel and roll to toe.. for these you want shoes with a lot of heel cushion like the nikes.Nike.. another is toe heel toe.. so toe lands first, collapses to heal then launches off toe.. gotta have the calves for it.. that is better with an Asiic style shoe..

Run shops can help you a lot.. gotta find one that has knowledgeable sales peeps.

 

[WellYouNeednt]

Also once you get into running and find a shoe you really like, just buy a couple of pairs. When my wife first convinced me to run a half in 2016 I actually went to a running store and after like an hour and a half I found a shoe I really liked by new balance. For years i just stayed with that same line of shoe getting the new version. They decided to change up that line and i bought like 3 pairs in 2019 for a clearance shoe store online. This year I went back to the shoe store to get fitted and while the new line of new balance works, it definitely doesnt give me a much arch support as I would like. That said other than some sore arches to start a run its led to no other issues. So its overall acceptable to good, but not near what the previous line was.

Once i find a shoe I really like I am going to purchase 3 pairs.

After trying a good amount, my two favorite right now are: Saucony Speed 2 and Hoka Rincon 3.

I own two pairs of each and rotate on the regular.

What shoes are you looking at now?

 

[WellYouNeednt]

I'm trying to get into running but can't seem to get past 6 miles before my feet are so sore, I can't put any weight on them. Like I'm not tired and feel like I can do 10 more, but my feet are so sore. Guess just have to take it little by little.

When you say “getting into running” — how long have you been running/how often and how slowly did you build your mileage? I am not a running coach, but jumping into 6 miles quickly without building hip/glute/knee/ankle/feet mobility and strength is just asking for an injury.

One thing i learned about running, is 50% of it should be focused on injury prevention. A really consistent/effective stretching regime, foam rolling and using a lacrosse ball in your feet is crucial. Most injuries pivot from weak hips/glutes and poor stretching.

 

[AllforOne]

When you say “getting into running” — how long have you been running/how often and how slowly did you build your mileage? I am not a running coach, but jumping into 6 miles quickly without building hip/glute/knee/ankle/feet mobility and strength is just asking for an injury.

One thing i learned about running, is 50% of it should be focused on injury prevention. A really consistent/effective stretching regime, foam rolling and using a lacrosse ball in your feet is crucial. Most injuries pivot from weak hips/glutes and poor stretching.

For me, running injury prevention is largely about three variables:
1. Number of times per week I run
2. Distance of those runs
3. Intensity (speed) of those runs

If I try to increase all three at once? Guaranteed injury. Two is the most I can do.

Intensity is the real insidious one. The majority of runs should be at a very easy pace - much easier than what many of us (raising my hand here) do/have done. For years, I did too many runs in that dead zone -- too fast for everyday runs, yet too slow to have any training benefit. As an added "bonus", running in that range makes me more likely to end up injured. These days, when I run with a watch, it's usually to make sure I'm not going too fast, as opposed to trying to run faster/keep a certain pace.

Right now, I'm getting back to ultra distances, so I'm increasing those first two variables. I'd like to run faster, but I'm gonna have to let that one go this time around (not that speed is really that big a goal for me anyway -- whatever speed I had, went away years ago). If I tried to throw speed workouts in there too, I'd be on the shelf by Memorial Day.

 

[WellYouNeednt]

For me, running injury prevention is largely about three variables:
1. Number of times per week I run
2. Distance of those runs
3. Intensity (speed) of those runs

If I try to increase all three at once? Guaranteed injury. Two is the most I can do.

Intensity is the real insidious one. The majority of runs should be at a very easy pace - much easier than what many of us (raising my hand here) do/have done. For years, I did too many runs in that dead zone -- too fast for everyday runs, yet too slow to have any training benefit. As an added "bonus", running in that range makes me more likely to end up injured. These days, when I run with a watch, it's usually to make sure I'm not going too fast, as opposed to trying to run faster/keep a certain pace.

Right now, I'm getting back to ultra distances, so I'm increasing those first two variables. I'd like to run faster, but I'm gonna have to let that one go this time around (not that speed is really that big a goal for me anyway -- whatever speed I had, went away years ago). If I tried to throw speed workouts in there too, I'd be on the shelf by Memorial Day.

Spot on.

When i got into running i was victim of 1-3, built mileage too quickly, maintained the same mileage everyday and was maintaining the same pace with no easy runs. Boom — bad pes anserine bursitis in my left knee. Sidelined for weeks and took even longer to build my mileage back up.

I suffer from being overly competitive and having no patience. It took me a long time to be patient and build out a program to slowly build my mileage the right way.

Running is the same as strength training — because you can move a weight, does not necessarily mean you should. It is better to take the extra weeks or months to slowly build adaptation to avoid injury.

 

[WellYouNeednt]

What shoes do you prefer? I am assuming you use different ones for your ultras?

@AllforOne

 

[letgocavs]

I just bought some Nike Pegasus and a little more comfortable, but still felt pain in foot after 2 miles. Bought a foot massager off Amazon to help after runs

 

[AllforOne]

I suffer from being overly competitive and having no patience. It took me a long time to be patient and build out a program to slowly build my mileage the right way.

Running is the same as strength training — because you can move a weight, does not necessarily mean you should. It is better to take the extra weeks or months to slowly build adaptation to avoid injury.

Ding ding ding.

Many of us runners are overachiever, "why did I get only an A and not an A+" types. So we naturally assume that if some is good, then more must be better! And it's just not true. If you should run your training runs at, say, 10:00/mile, running them at 9:30/mile isn't better. It's actually quite a bit worse. You're making yourself more tired so that you won't be able to go at the pace you need to go on a speedwork day (if you're doing speedwork as part of your training), and you're making it much more likely that you'll get hurt over time. Lose-lose.

What shoes do you prefer? I am assuming you use different ones for your ultras?

I'm pretty monogamous to Asics -- they just seem to do well for me (although I've run in NB, Montrail, Saucony, and others over the years; they are all good shoes; I think it's just a matter of finding what works for you). I actually use the same model (Gel-Cumulus) for running roads or trails, but have a "good"/fresh pair for roads and a "full of mud" pair for days when I hit trails.

 

[CleveRocks]

Ding ding ding.

Many of us runners are overachiever, "why did I get only an A and not an A+" types. So we naturally assume that if some is good, then more must be better! And it's just not true. If you should run your training runs at, say, 10:00/mile, running them at 9:30/mile isn't better. It's actually quite a bit worse. You're making yourself more tired so that you won't be able to go at the pace you need to go on a speedwork day (if you're doing speedwork as part of your training), and you're making it much more likely that you'll get hurt over time. Lose-lose.



I'm pretty monogamous to Asics -- they just seem to do well for me (although I've run in NB, Montrail, Saucony, and others over the years; they are all good shoes; I think it's just a matter of finding what works for you). I actually use the same model (Gel-Cumulus) for running roads or trails, but have a "good"/fresh pair for roads and a "full of mud" pair for days when I hit trails.

New balance led to am injury in my left foot, I never recovered from.. so fuck those guys.. ASIC is my brand...

 

[WellYouNeednt]

New balance led to am injury in my left foot, I never recovered from.. so fuck those guys.. ASIC is my brand...

That really sucks. What shoes were they?

 

[WellYouNeednt]

I have never actually tried Asics running shoes. Someone told me early on, if you find shoes that work and you like — don't
mess around stick with them (sounds like you guys already do). As i mentioned in a previous post — the Saucony Speeds and Hoka Rincons are my main shoes.

I guess you could say i was a running shoe slut early on and tried a ton.