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If you thought Trump's BHM speech was bad...

View: https://twitter.com/VP/status/826973464078716935


Of all the things you could have chosen to tweet, you chose America finally treating black people (barely) like people?

How is possible for this administration to swing and miss at so many Goddamn softballs?

I mean really... how do you think that convo went? "Mike, it's the start of black history month, you should tweet something out and show support." "OK... how about the end of slavery?" "Oh, that's a good thing that happened involving black people. Great idea!"
 
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My Home town is Martin County Kentucky. They frequently have to cut school because coal has contaminated the county's reservoir.. the Coal companies get praised for providing bottled water on occasion.

One thing the nation needs to protect above all else is its water supply.

letting mines bypass regulations and commons sense is a surefire way to destroy an ecosystem a simple matter of utilizing underlining's and dry ash instead of wet ash would save one coal county after another that continues to poinson the water at detriment of the residents and the wildlife.

The Martin County coal slurry spill was an accident that occurred after midnight on October 11, 2000 when the bottom of a coal slurry impoundment owned by Massey Energy in Martin County, Kentucky, USA, broke into an abandoned underground mine below.[1] The slurry came out of the mine openings, sending an estimated 306,000,000 US gallons (1.16×109 l; 255,000,000 imp gal) of slurry down two tributaries of the Tug Fork River. By morning, Wolf Creek was oozing with the black waste; on Coldwater Fork, a 10-foot (3.0 m) wide stream became a 100-yard (91 m) expanse of thick slurry.

The spill was over five feet deep in places and covered nearby residents' yards. The spill polluted hundreds of miles (300 – 500 km) of the Big Sandy River and its tributaries and the Ohio River. The water supply for over 27,000 residents was contaminated, and all aquatic life in Coldwater Fork and Wolf Creek was killed. The spill was 30 times larger than the Exxon Valdez oil spill (12 million US gallons (45,000 m3)) and one of the worst environmental disasters ever in the southeastern United States, according to the United States Environmental Protection Agency.[2] The spill was exceeded in volume by the Kingston Fossil Plant coal fly ash slurry spill in 2008.

U.S. Secretary of Labor Elaine Chao, wife of Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), oversaw the Mine Safety and Health Administration at the time. In 2002, a $5,600 fine was levied.[citation needed]

Massey Energy spent $46 million in cleanup efforts and an additional $3 million in local fines and reported that "some citizens say the creek is cleaner now than before the spill."[3]

In 2005 Appalshop filmmaker Robert Salyer released a documentary entitled Sludge, chronicling the continuing story of the Martin County disaster, the resulting federal investigation, and the looming threat of coal slurry ponds throughout the coalfield region. In the wake of the Kingston Fossil Plant coal fly ash slurry spill, Appalshop provided a web stream of Sludge for a limited time.[4]

http://homeguides.sfgate.com/pollution-kentucky-79337.html
coal surry pond

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another coal slurry pond

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Coal slurry pond gone wrong

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the stuff they want to dump in the water is very similar.

creek in west Virginia
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A pipe that carries coal slurry from the Kanawha Eagle Prep Plant in Kanawha County to an adjacent settling pond burst, causing the spill. It was reported to the West Virginia Department of Environmental Protection (DEP) by the company at 7:30 a.m., and later that day began to reach the Kanawha River, some 3.5 miles away from the site of the spill.

Coal slurry or sludge is a waste fluid produced by washing coal with water and chemicals prior to shipping the coal to market. When coal is mined underground or by highwall or auger miners, there are significant amounts of rocks and clays mixed in. These materials must be removed before the coal can be sold to power plants or steel mills.

DEP is investigating the spill and overseeing the cleanup, and Kanawha Eagle is under an Imminent Harm Cessation Order, issued by the WVDEP soon after the spill, for creating conditions not allowable in state waters. The order, which halts all work at the prep plant, except for cleanup activities, will remain in effect until the company has eliminated the potential for further pollution.

Two water quality specialists with Appalachian Voices visited the site of the coal slurry spill, taking water quality samples and photographs of the scene. Matt Wasson director of programs, who has a Ph.D. in ecology from Cornell University, and Erin Savage, a water quality specialist, who has her M.E.Sc. from Yale School of Forestry and Environmental Studies, said the lack of enforcement of the coal industry is to blame for three recent hazardous spills in West Virginia and North Carolina.

“A spill of a chemical used by the coal industry, a coal ash spill and now a coal slurry spill – the common denominator here is the glaring lack of enforcement of the coal industry which has enjoyed political cover for far too long,” said Savage.

In Appalachia and the Illinois Basin, coal companies use a process called "wet washing" to reduce the amount of non-combustible material. There are other methods of separating coal and non-coal used in other places, primarily where mining occurs in arid areas with limited water supplies. In a wet washing plant, or coal preparation plant, the raw coal is crushed and mixed with a large amount of water, magnetite and organic chemicals. The chemicals are primarily patented surfactants, designed to separate clays from the coal, and flocculants, designed to make small particle clump together.

The huge volume of waste water left over is coal slurry. The slurry is composed of particles of rock, clay and coal too small to float or sink as well as all the chemicals used to wash the coal. While the coal industry likes to claim that the particles of "natural rock strata" and chemicals are perfectly safe, testing has shown coal slurry to be highly toxic.

“The coal industry prefers to talk about a supposed ‘war on coal,’ but these spills remind Americans why we have environmental rules and why we need much stronger enforcement to keep our water safe,” said Wasson.
I think @Notorious owes $100.
 
If you thought Trump's BHM speech was bad...

View: https://twitter.com/VP/status/826973464078716935


Of all the things you could have chosen to tweet, you chose America finally treating black people (barely) like people?

How is possible for this administration to swing and miss at so many Goddamn softballs?

I mean really... how do you think that convo went? "Mike, it's the start of black history month, you should tweet something out and show support." "OK... how about the end of slavery?" "Oh, that's a good thing that happened black people. Great idea!"
This is pretty unreal. The purpose of BHM is to celebrate the rich history of African-Americans and their contributions that continue to advance our country.

He tweets about when whites finally (kind of) conceded a basic human right to their fellow man?
 
Joking about the administration aside, this is pretty damn serious:

The U.S. military said on Wednesday it was looking into whether more civilians were killed in a raid on al Qaeda in Yemen on the weekend, in the first operation authorized by President Donald Trump as commander in chief.

U.S. Navy SEAL William “Ryan” Owens died in the raid on a branch of al Qaeda, also known as AQAP, in al Bayda province, which the Pentagon said also killed 14 militants. Medics at the scene said, however, that about 30 people, including 10 women and children, were killed.

U.S. Central Command said in a statement that an investigating team had "concluded regrettably that civilian non-combatants were likely killed" during Sunday's raid. It added that children may have been among the casualties.

Central Command said its assessment "seeks to determine if there were any still-undetected civilian casualties in the ferocious firefight."

U.S. military officials told Reuters that Trump approved his first covert counterterrorism operation without sufficient intelligence, ground support or adequate backup preparations.

As a result, three officials said, the attacking SEAL team found itself dropping onto a reinforced al Qaeda base defended by landmines, snipers, and a larger than expected contingent of heavily armed Islamist extremists.

The Pentagon directed queries about the officials' characterization of the raid to U.S. Central Command. The latter pointed only to its statement on Wednesday.

The U.S. officials said the extremists’ base had been identified as a target before the Obama administration left office on Jan. 20, but then-President Barack Obama held off approving a raid ahead of his departure.

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A White House official said the operation was thoroughly vetted by the previous administration and that the previous defense secretary had signed off on it in January. The raid was delayed for operational reasons, the White House official said.

The military officials who spoke to Reuters on condition of anonymity said "a brutal firefight" took the lives of Owens and at least 15 Yemeni women and children. One of the dead was the 8-year-old daughter of Anwar al-Awlaki, a militant killed by a 2011 U.S. drone strike.

Some of the women were firing at the U.S. force, Pentagon spokesman Captain Jeff Davis told reporters.



INTELLIGENCE GATHERED

The American elite forces did not seize any militants or take any prisoners offsite, but White House spokesman Sean Spicer said on Wednesday the raid yielded benefits.

"Knowing that we killed an estimated 14 AQAP members and that we gathered an unbelievable amount of intelligence that will prevent the potential deaths or attacks on American soil – is something that I think most service members understand, that that’s why they joined the service,” Spicer said.

A senior leader in Yemen's al Qaeda branch, Abdulraoof al-Dhahab, and other militants, were killed in the gunbattle, al Qaeda said.

One of the three U.S. officials said on-the-ground surveillance of the compound was “minimal, at best.”

“The decision was made ... to leave it to the incoming administration, partly in the hope that more and better intelligence could be collected,” that official said.

As Sunday's firefight intensified, the raiders called in Marine helicopter gunships and Harrier jump jets, and then two MV-22 Osprey vertical takeoff and landing aircraft to extract the SEALs.

One of the two suffered engine failure, two of the officials said, and hit the ground so hard that two crew members were injured, and one of the Marine jets had to launch a precision-guided bomb to destroy it.

Trump traveled to Dover Air Force Base in Delaware on Wednesday in an unexpected visit to meet with the family of Owens, who had been a chief special warfare operator.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN15G5RX
 
This is pretty unreal. The purpose of BHM is to celebrate the rich history of African-Americans and their contributions that continue to advance our country.

He tweets about when whites finally (kind of) conceded a basic human right to their fellow man?

Are you guys really outraged by a man appreciating the ending of slavery?

I get it, he didn't celebrate a positive that the black community inspired.. but you don't think this is going a little far with vilification?
 
Are you guys really outraged by a man appreciating the ending of slavery?

I get it, he didn't celebrate a positive that the black community inspired.. but you don't think this is going a little far with vilification?

Who's vilifying him? I'm laughing my ass off at him.
 
Joking about the administration aside, this is pretty damn serious:

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN15G5RX

I doubt Trump came up with the idea for this operation on his own -- it would only have come to him upon the recommendation of senior military and intelligence officials. So, I find it odd that our own uniformed military leadership (which hasn't changed since Trump became President) would recommend going forward with an operation "without sufficient intelligence, ground support or adequate backup preparations." I wonder who those "U.S. military officials" who allegedly told Reuters this actually were, or if they even existed at all.

I suspect that if anyone did actually state that to Reuters, it was an axe-grinding by someone wanting to sabotage the new Administration. And I say that because the trifecta of "without sufficient intelligence", "without sufficient ground support", and "without adequate backup preparations" is sort of the perfect trifecta you'd invent for a story if you really wanted to trash someone.
 
Clearly more informed than me; isn't a judges duty in SCOTUS to interpret law? And isn't an interpretation going to have some sort of bias in regards to how you perceive the text?

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. The goal should be (if you're an originalist/textualist) to work against that bias -- Gorsuch himself openly stated in that article/speech that judges, as human beings, are imperfect.

But it is easy to take that imperfection and claim it is the rule. The thing is that you sort of need to read the article, because he cites to some very prominent judges/law professors who openly state that eliminating bias and trying to determine original intent should not be the goal. That judges should aim for the "most just/fair/moral" result, not necessarily the one most consistent with the text and original intent of the law. If you read what they advocate, and contrast that with what Gorsuch says, there's a pretty huge gulf.
 
I doubt Trump came up with the idea for this operation on his own -- it would only have come to him upon the recommendation of senior military and intelligence officials. So, I find it odd that our own uniformed military leadership (which hasn't changed since Trump became President) would recommend going forward with an operation "without sufficient intelligence, ground support or adequate backup preparations." I wonder who those "U.S. military officials" who allegedly told Reuters this actually were, or if they even existed at all.

I suspect that if anyone did actually state that to Reuters, it was an axe-grinding by someone wanting to sabotage the new Administration. And I say that because the trifecta of "without sufficient intelligence", "without sufficient ground support", and "without adequate backup preparations" is sort of the perfect trifecta you'd invent for a story if you really wanted to trash someone.

It states in the article, if I read correctly, that it was something that was being looked into by the Obama administration, but they did not green light it.

Pretty strange that news articles run that Trump makes unexpected appearance to meet body of SEAL, and then hours later it turns out he gave the green light.

Just a weird article in general, and extremely strange about the mass children and women casualties, and Spicer's quote about finding information that will prevent in-US terrorist attacks?

You and King Stannis are the military guys, iirc. Does the whole operation seem off to you? Disregard the "axe to grind" angle. It seems the trifecta was a reach and an assumption based on the results.
 
You and King Stannis are the military guys, iirc. Does the whole operation seem off to you? Disregard the "axe to grind" angle. It seems the trifecta was a reach and an assumption based on the results.

It doesn't seem particularly "off". Some succeed, some don't. You can go on for pages on the ops we've had where we lost troops, or there were innocent casualties. Of course, it's possible it was a screw-up, but we simply don't have enough details to know that.

Presumably, the uniformed leadership thought it was a sufficiently important target to recommend the mission. Sometimes, the nature of what you're trying to do means that you just can't wait until all the ducks are in a row, and you have perfect information, etc.. If you wait, the target may relocate to somewhere less accessible, or the information you're trying to get may go stale, etc..

Seems to me there was an axe to grind, but whether there were nevertheless fair grounds for criticism is something we just can't know.
 
I think @Notorious owes $100.

So here's the problem. You are using someones detailing of a coal spill as proof this law is good. Of course environmental disasters are bad. How does that mean the law is good? What you need to look at is the law. Does it actually do anything to stop the potential problem Tornicade listed? The answer is no...

The Department of Interior’s own reports show that essentially all coal mines have no off-site impacts, that lands are being restored successfully, and mines are being operated safely and in accordance with existing state and federal regulations. The Stream Protection Rule is simply a regulation in search of a problem.

The rules went into place after being updated on 1/19/17. All 11 coal mining States including Ohio sued the government over this rule and vowed to overturn it under Trump. They must all hate the environment? Or perhaps the law isn't really addressing a problem, but rather creating one.

You know how you guys keep saying that the problems with Mexico will increase our prices on imports? How bad that is for us? What do you think baseless rules with 0 environmental effect do?

So you manage to sneak in a law shutting down coal mines under the guise of "environmental protection" by updating a 30 year old rule. Did we somehow stop producing power through coal in this country? Did we create a bunch of new nuclear power plants? Nope.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money...us-coal-imports-up-but-exports-down/13368199/

We just buy it from other countries since we can't make it here. Most likely we are buying the cheapest source. Which means from countries with little to no environmental protections. So the Earth is actually getting polluted and in much worse ways.

To top it off our prices go up and we also lost jobs basically to be able to buy cheap coal from another country who doesn't have restrictions in place. I guess somehow this is a win for you? You traded producing coal in a country with environmental regulation to buy coal from a country without any.

Can you explain to me how this is good for the environment?
 
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