The General Terrorist Rampage Thread

[KI4MVP]

No more easy target zones. No more making the shooters famous like the Daily Wire is doing. No more destruction of American values and family life. A a huge portion of these stories shooters are lonely, angry, bitter, rejected, fatherless, and directionless young men with easy access to assault type weapons.

How do you prevent the Las Vegas victims from being easy targets for someone with assault type weapons?

And I added the second bolded to fix your post.

 

[MediumBaller]

KI is referring to mass shootings as the problem.

You are trying to take what he's saying and apply it to guns in general, but he's clearly talking about incidents like this most recent one, the one in Vegas, etc. and how to better prevent those types of shootings.

In your data referring to homicides and gun type, is there a way to look for what types of weapons are most likely used in shootings that result in 10+ casualties bye a single shooter? 20+?

When's the last time one of those mass shootings occurred and was carried out by anything other than an assault styled weapon? I honestly can't think of a single one.

Sandy Hook - check
Aurora - check
Vegas - check
Florida - check

Hand guns, especially in the hands of untrained shooters, simply aren't as capable of these results as the weapons being used in the incidents above.

The Virginia Tech shooter killed 33 people with only handguns, and the Fort Hood shooter killed 13 with handguns. The Luby's Cafeteria shooter killed 24 people with handguns. The Navy Yard shooter killed 13 with a shotgun and a handgun. The Binghamton shooter killed 14 with handguns

I got the date from the two sites I put at the bottom, but I didn't see anything about what kind of weapons are most likely to be used in shootings with 10+ casualties. There aren't a whole lot of mass shootings with 10 or more casualties (still more than there should be, of course), so I just googled a few of them on this list. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/florida-school-shooting-ranks-among-americas-deadliest/


http://www.firearmsid.com/feature articles/0900guic/guns used in crime.htm

https://everytownresearch.org/gun-violence-by-the-numbers/

 

[Huber.]

How do you prevent the Las Vegas victims from being easy targets for someone with assault type weapons?

And I added the second bolded to fix your post.

Las Vegas was a very odd situation that was and will never be explained to us. And that's all I will say about that.


If we really want to limit gun violence, it's time we make American more conservative again.

 

[MediumBaller]

I want to fix the problem where one person can kill large amounts of people in a relatively small amount of time. Like the Florida school shooting last week or the Las Vegas shooting last year.

We fail as a society when we can't send our kids to school knowing they will be alive to come back home at the end of the day. This specific problem gets progressively worse.


In the entire 1970s there was only 1 incident (two if you count the tragic Kent State incident)
In the entire 1980s there was also only 1 incident.

Fast forward to now

There are been 3 mass killing incidents in schools in the past 10 months.

14 of the 23 deadliest mass shootings in US history have happened in the last 13 years. Only 2 of the 23 deadliest happened before 1982. This is a relatively recent phenomena in our country that we need to address.

I agree with you that it is a recent development, the data obviously says that it is, but I don't think that the problem is assault weapons. People can kill large amounts of people in a small amount of time with handguns, and they have in the past. A number of mass shootings have been carried out with handguns. Getting rid of guns like the AR15 isn't going to change or fix the societal decay that has led to an increase in mass shootings.

 

[BMAN]

No more easy target zones. No more making the shooters famous like the Daily Wire is doing. No more destruction of American values and family life. A a huge portion of these stories shooters are lonely, angry, bitter, rejected, fatherless, and directionless young men.

And how is that fixed? What exactly are the values that are being destroyed?

 

[BMAN]

Las Vegas was a very odd situation that was and will never be explained to us. And that's all I will say about that.


If we really want to limit gun violence, it's time we make American culture less liberal again

Most Western society is liberal leaning and you don’t see this shit

 

[Huber.]

Most Western society is liberal leaning and you don’t see this shit

Do they have the same divorce rates along with fathers not being in the picture that America faces?

 

[AZ_]

Las Vegas was a very odd situation that was and will never be explained to us. And that's all I will say about that.


If we really want to limit gun violence, it's time we make American culture less liberal again

Can you further explain how liberalism is causing this outbreak of mass violence?

Movies, rap music?

The divorce rate is now an corollary to mass murder? What about nationalism and the prospect of hating immigrants or religions?

No effect?

 

[BMAN]

Do they have the same divorce rates along with fathers not being in the picpict that America faces?

So how do we then fix it if we were to run with this theory. I don’t see how being more liberal has to do with divorce rates and shitty parenting.

 

[Huber.]

Can you further explain how liberalism is causing this outbreak of mass violence?

Movies, rap music?

The divorce rate is now an corollary to mass murder? What about nationalism and the prospect of hating immigrants or religions?

No effect?

Here is a good write up on how we got here and how to fix it.
I'll link it but this is getting more about politics instead of gun debate so we should just leave it at that.



https://patriotpost.us/articles/54222-its-the-culture-not-the-guns

 

[BMAN]

Here is a good write up on how we got here and how to fix it.
I'll link it but this is getting more about politics instead of gun debate so we should just leave it at that.



https://patriotpost.us/articles/54222-its-the-culture-not-the-guns

This doesn’t answer anything. All this does is stop the conversation.

 

[AZ_]

Here is a good write up on how we got here and how to fix it.
I'll link it but this is getting more about politics instead of gun debate so we should just leave it at that.



https://patriotpost.us/articles/54222-its-the-culture-not-the-guns

Okay, this didn't answer literally any of the questions I asked you about how this relates to mass shootings.

Perhaps you could more directly answer my questions with your own thoughts?

Bette Midler tweeting a joke asking where Rand Paul's neighbor is, in my opinion, not causing mass shootings. I deeply respect the opinion, but maybe you could dive a bit deeper?

 

[Huber.]

This doesn’t answer anything. All this does is stop the conversation.

What has changed over the years since say the mid 90s, the access to guns or the American culture?



And yes I am stopping the conversation at that since we can't talk about what needs to be talked about.

 

[Mr. Orange]

No more easy target zones. No more making the shooters famous like the Daily Wire is doing. No more destruction of American values and family life. A a huge portion of these stories shooters are lonely, angry, bitter, rejected, fatherless, and directionless young men.

This is such a ridiculous post, especially the "American values" shit. I'm sure all that is is a slippery slope to less immigration posts. Guess what? You don't have mass shootings in Japan, China, S. Korea, and other asian countries like you do in the US. In Mexico you have them but they are cartel related.

More guns has no statistical evidence that it would prevent this. Being a "Christian" society has nothing to do with it. Japan is exhibit A.

A real answer: A ban on assault weapons, increased background checks, perhaps raising the min age to buy a gun to 25 or so when men have maturued, increase health care coverage and mental health awareness, increase college scholarships and trade training financing to give young men avenues to success, and finally becoming a more compassionate society and listening to others.

 

[BMAN]

What has changed over the years since say the mid 90s, the access to guns or the American culture?



And yes I am stopping the conversation at that since we can't talk about what needs to be talked about.

You linked an opinion piece about how hating Trump somehow has led to mass shootings. I did want to hear your opinion through, but then you link that.