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Triple-S said:
Fedor gets these weird random man crushes on people ranging from Jimmy Clausen to the current Golden State Warriors. Even like..loving Harrison Barnes to death.

I can recall similar sort of talking points from various people in the Cleveland media obsessing over RG3 (pre-2013/2014), and Ryan Tannehill. It's the most bizarre thing I've seen.

You get guys like Daryl Ruiter and Tony Grossi covering the Browns. Both of those guys seem like this team's bad play has broken them and left them with nothing but hate, vile, pessimism towards anything they do.

That's what drives me nuts though. No matter the team? It's always a sense of pessimism projected onto them. The "Bull" ripping on the Tribe at the beginning of the season was one thing that comes to mind. The other was the meltdown we got from the media about this Cavs team during Feb/Mar or so. 'Hammer ripping on Jabril Peppers before he's even taken a snap. There's so many more.

These people are hacks. There's a difference between being legitimately critical of a player/franchise and what I've seen the Cleveland media do. I quite frankly don't get it.
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I get it..they all just seem to want to sound important and have more insight than anyone else.
 
Green Lantern said:
I get it..they all just seem to want to sound important and have more insight than anyone else.
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It gets depressing when you see a guy like Jim Donovan get interviewed on a station and he really seems to show up a lot of people with just some sort of basic knowledge of the game.

Something as stupid as going "Yeah the QB got his shoulder hurt in the last game. That's what is wrong with him" or "Hey the Browns have no one to pass block, that's why they can't get anything on offense going".

It's not as if he's saying anything "groundbreaking". This is all BASIC football stuff. But I think you're right, they all do want to sound important, rather than just lay it out there in stupid, basic terms.

Apologies for the Browns talk, but you can apply that to the Cavs as well. Notice how they melted down about the regular season? Any idiot that even remotely follows any sort of sport knows that all that matters with a team of the Cavs level is just to get to the playoffs. Yet they still can't grasp the very basic concept of the playoffs being a "2nd season".
 
Terry Pluto. Great guy. My younger brother worked with him for years and he is a genuine person. He doesn't spread false trash. He donates one day a week talking to prisoners and never tells anyone about it. He does it out of the goodness of his heart to help people asking nothing in return. He gave my brother a copy of his book and signed it to me. It was a good read on Cleveland sports
 
re: Pluto. Love that guy, probably one of the few san human beings covering the sport. His quote about "don't let millionaires ruin your day" is a great one, and one that sprouts up sometimes when I get angry at something

If I may present to you folks, I have a prime candidate for a meltdown that we'd see from Cleveland Sports media that would make a lot of our own seem mild in comparision

View: https://twitter.com/BenAxelrod/status/880967150835564547

View: https://twitter.com/Simpsons_tweets/status/880841073362427905


Yes folks. Moves have not even been made. Games have not even been played. But already the Cavs have lost. Let's just pack up and not even try.
 
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Triple-S said:
re: Pluto. Love that guy, probably one of the few san human beings covering the sport. His quote about "don't let millionaires ruin your day" is a great one, and one that sprouts up sometimes when I get angry at something

If I may present to you folks, I have a prime candidate for a meltdown that we'd see from Cleveland Sports media that would make a lot of our own seem mild in comparision

View: https://twitter.com/Simpsons_tweets/status/880841073362427905


Yes folks. Moves have not even been made. Games have not even been played. But already the Cavs have lost. Let's just pack up and not even try.
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I don't understand what that tweet means or what it has to do with anything.
 
Now 10 minutes ago..Fedor was spitting that the Cavs haven't wanted to do anything this offseason..
Didn't want Jimmy Butler
Didn't want Paul George
Didn't want a GM...
 
Green Lantern said:
Now 10 minutes ago..Fedor was spitting that the Cavs haven't wanted to do anything this offseason..
Didn't want Jimmy Butler
Didn't want Paul George
Didn't want a GM...
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They tried and struck out on each of them.

Chicago and Indiana were not going to trade in conference because they're weird bitter assholes.

Not resigning Griff was a mistake. That's not as defensible. That's a legit criticism. But honestly as more of it comes out, how were you really going to make Chaunecy a thing? Can only really sign people who want to be here. Maybe you can toss out a higher contract back at him, but it sounded like money wasn't so much the issue (as was Griffin's case) as it was concerns about leaving the cushy studio gig, having his family move.

It's kinda like when the Browns went after Cowher, Gruden a few years back. You can offer them the moon, but if they say no? What else are going to do.
 
Triple-S said:
They tried and struck out on each of them.

Chicago and Indiana were not going to trade in conference because they're weird bitter assholes.

Not resigning Griff was a mistake. That's not as defensible. That's a legit criticism. But honestly as more of it comes out, how were you really going to make Chaunecy a thing? Can only really sign people who want to be here. Maybe you can toss out a higher contract back at him, but it sounded like money wasn't so much the issue (as was Griffin's case) as it was concerns about leaving the cushy studio gig, having his family move.

It's kinda like when the Browns went after Cowher, Gruden a few years back. You can offer them the moon, but if they say no? What else are going to do.
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But if you spin it the other way..you get people who are emotional to side with you..I saw thats what he was doing.
 
Triple-S said:
They tried and struck out on each of them.

Chicago and Indiana were not going to trade in conference because they're weird bitter assholes.

Not resigning Griff was a mistake. That's not as defensible. That's a legit criticism. But honestly as more of it comes out, how were you really going to make Chaunecy a thing? Can only really sign people who want to be here. Maybe you can toss out a higher contract back at him, but it sounded like money wasn't so much the issue (as was Griffin's case) as it was concerns about leaving the cushy studio gig, having his family move.

It's kinda like when the Browns went after Cowher, Gruden a few years back. You can offer them the moon, but if they say no? What else are going to do.
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Yes. Exactly!

People act like Griffin operated in isolation without any help from his staff or assistants. I liked Griffin, and would have liked him to stay. BUT, he also built a team last year with ZERO defensive identify. So, I don't mind seeing a change of leadership. I trust Gilbert FAR more than I trust the media narrative ABOUT Gilbert. I'm glad he's our owner.

If people think we lost out on players by not having an "official" GM, then they are morons. The Cavs have so far made solid moves, and we have more moves coming. I understand that people are not too excited about Calderon, but I'm willing to wait and see on that one.

We now know that we were NEVER getting Paul George, or Butler, and Boston would have NEVER traded us a single useful player.
 
View: https://twitter.com/CavsGregBR/status/884199381389463555


This is the problem with Cleveland coverage.
the media and BR is technically a media outlet.

spends too much time trying to tell people what to think.

I don't think Griffin went into the gm post blindly nor do I blame Griffin for not wanting to double someone's salary when he still had 8 million a year paying fired coaches. I don't agree with the fan to a point but regardless . who does Schwartz think he is telling a guy what team to root for
 
This pessimism lies more with the General NBA fan base and media who want LeBron to leave even days after delivering the cities first title in 52 years.
"He delivered one for the land so now he can go elsewhere" was really a talking point.

SAS on first take admitted that he preferred LeBron stayed in Miami for selfish reason (nightlife, beaches) during playoffs and finals. Same can be said for the rest of the sports media world as the "rumors" you hear now are LA based teams (Knicks and Miami are obviously too much of a reach even for them). I wonder why?

The relationship with Gilbert and LeBron does not seem healthy that much is clear.
Gilbert doesn't come to terms with Griffin and then they go their separate ways. LeBron could've sent Griffin a private text showing his support but he chooses Twitter as his outlet which feeds the narrative of the Cavs being a disfinctional organization. Gilbert is too involved however an owner meddling in on basketball decisions is nothing new but their goal is to build it up as much as possible.

The biggest problem of them all is Brian Windhorst. These local guys don't get much play but whatever Brian reports is on ESPN radio or SportsCenter. All of his fellow reporters then run with whatever he says. He simultaneously states that LeBron runs the team when good moves are made and he is just a player when something doesn't pan out.

We lost to possibly the best team of all time the year after beating a team that went 73-9. That gets lost on some of us including myself but there are a lot of terrible organizations out there and we're not one of them if results based metrics are factored into the equation and not hearsay. The vets who have joined this team (RJ, Frye, DWill and Korver) have complimented the culture of the team.

At the end of the day it all circles back to LeBron and his legacy. People will blame Cleveland for failing him when we don't win and credit just him when we do. The true test of this organization will come after LeBron has retired for obvious reasons
 
I think they're setting up some bizarre narrative where Griffin, LeBron were "chased" out of town by us fans, Dan Gilbert for some reason.

I noticed an article in the paper claiming that "fans burning LeBron's jersey was an embarrassing moment for the city" or something to that effect. But the thing is I think that's a fairly rational response because of the way the guy left.

That's kinda been the two consistent talking points since LeBron left in 2010. "You fans hated LeBron" and "Dan Gilbert wrote a mean letter". Cleveland's media has taken it and ran with it as well for whatever reason.

I think they're bizarrely more into massaging their own ego's, being "right" on things rather than actually trying to cover the teams. The "I TOLD YA SO" attitude we see exhibited is disgusting and negative. It feels like a lot of fans strive for positivity in this city as a whole but these guys want to just stay miserable.
 
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