The Official Game of Thrones [A Song of Ice and Fire] Thread (includes spoilers)

[Cavatt]

Yeah. My mom is a goner and no longer on the crew. She probably has PTSD now, but who cares right?

I'm all alone with my father. The guy is so focused and yet he still asks me to explain to him everything over and over again. He is so focused, that unless he asks the question, he has no idea i'm even talking to him.

Frustrating. But i'm all in, I guess.

This is really funny. In highschool I would watch the X-files with my HS gf's parents. They loved the Xfiles, but they couldn't understand it all. I would spend every commercial break explain every detail. Like I would be explaining why a guy could stretch himself or how a mushroom works lol. It was hilarious.

 

[Chris]

I literally had zero fucking clue what his post was talking about.

 

[Jack Brickman]

I literally had zero fucking clue what his post was talking about.

I pretty much feel that way about basically every one of his posts.

 

[Rich]

Sure, but come on.

Arya using the "dramatically pull off face-mask" trick twice on the Freys was a tad goofy, and a stretch even for a fantasy story. The last time we see her she's in another continent, then next thing we know she's a servant working for Walder Frey, kills him, then poisons the entire House after using his face and giving some corny fan-servicey speech about leaving wolves alive or some shit.

Don't tell me you all bought that whole thing hook line and sinker. Not to say I didn't love Frey getting his.

They can get theirs in the books, it just doesn't have to be in that fashion. It didn't feel like Game of Thrones. Maybe because the story had spent years showing us how the bad guys always win and then it flipped it on its head, but it just felt like everything was so "perfect" in getting their just dues. What would have been more Thrones-like is it, say, Ramsay was killed but in the end it was in a way or sequence of events that either Sansa, or the viewer, or both found it hard to garner much satisfaction from. Ala, Joffrey's death.

I'm nitpicking a great story but it's just how I felt. I still cheered when it happened.

Eh, it's no more realistic than the bad guys always winning, or everything always breaking perfect for them over and over.

The story doesn't have to be depressing at every turn to be realistic.

 

[Rich]

How do we think the Jon and Dany dilemma is going to resolve in the final 6 eps when they both will clearly find out about Jon's (Aegon's) parentage? Jon is next in line but maybe they strike a deal?

To me, there is no conclusion that makes sense if they both live.

1. Dany rules, Jon marries her: Too anticlimactic. Jon doesn't come back to life for that. Neither are built for intentional incest either.

2. Dany rules, Jon goes back North and wardens/rules it: Also nah.

3. Jon Rules: Don't see it it, Jon doesn't want it. He'd rather Dany do that ish.

Only conclusion is that one of them dies. My money is on Jon. He sacrifices himself somehow. He died once already. Isn't terribly excited about still being alive. Completed his role of defeating the Night's King (presumably), put Dany on the throne. He can die having done that.

Better bet is everyone dies and none of this comes to pass. But I assume that they will at least discuss what they plan on doing onscreen.

I highly doubt the incest thing plays even a minor role. Like, it will get a 10 second quip and that'll be about it. It's not gonna bother either one of them.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Eh, it's no more realistic than the bad guys always winning, or everything always breaking perfect for them over and over.

The story doesn't have to be depressing at every turn to be realistic.

Yeah, but there's a reason why the bad guys win so much in the series...

 

[Chris]

Eh, it's no more realistic than the bad guys always winning, or everything always breaking perfect for them over and over.

The story doesn't have to be depressing at every turn to be realistic.

Just didn't feel in tune with the story. It was fine, I cheered. Like I said, it wasn't about the bad guys losing, it was about the way it was done. Not really a complaint per se, just felt like a lot of fan service. Arya wearing the mask was obvious enough the first time. When they used it again to open Season 7 I was eye rolling hard. How did she walk around with his face and pass as Walder Frey with the body of a teenage girl? Weird. These are the kinds of things people would be ripping on in the thread for Walking Dead.

It doesn't help I'm not a huge fan of Arya or her storyline either to be honest. Her whole thing with Sansa and Baelish this season was just so, so bad.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I highly doubt the incest thing plays even a minor role. Like, it will get a 10 second quip and that'll be about it. It's not gonna bother either one of them.

I think it may not bother Danys. I think it is going to bother Jon a lot. She'll give him the "but the Targaeryens did it, and you're a Targaeryen!" And he'll say...."No.

"I'm a Stark."

 

[Jack Brickman]

Just didn't feel in tune with the story. It was fine, I cheered. Like I said, it wasn't about the bad guys losing, it was about the way it was done. Not really a complaint per se, just felt like a lot of fan service. Arya wearing the mask was obvious enough the first time. When they used it again to open Season 7 I was eye rolling hard. How did she walk around with his face and pass as Walder Frey with the body of a teenage girl? Weird. These are the kinds of things people would be ripping on in the thread for Walking Dead.

It doesn't help I'm not a huge fan of Arya or her storyline either to be honest. Her whole thing with Sansa and Baelish this season was just so, so bad.

I still think what should have convinced Sansa that Arya wasn't there to betray her was when Littlefinger tried to trick her into thinking that Arya would want to be Lady of Winterfell. Anyone who knew Arya, and Sansa most of all, would have known that she's never wanted to be Lady of anything.

It also would have been a nice call back to that season one conversation between Ned and Arya where Arya said as much to her father.

 

[Chris]

I still think what should have convinced Sansa that Arya wasn't there to betray her was when Littlefinger tried to trick her into thinking that Arya would want to be Lady of Winterfell. Anyone who knew Arya, and Sansa most of all, would have known that she's never wanted to be Lady of anything.

It also would have been a nice call back to that season one conversation between Ned and Arya where Arya said as much to her father.

Yeah. Well I assume she knew from the very beginning Petyr was full of it.

 

[Cavatt]

I think it may not bother Danys. I think it is going to bother Jon a lot. She'll give him the "but the Targaeryens did it, and you're a Targaeryen!" And he'll say...."No.

"I'm a Stark."

You should really get an incest pass if your fake dad lies to you about who your parents are.

The more I think about it, the more rotten it is of Ned to let the rightful heir to the throne think he is a bastard, let his wife bag on him all the time, and allow him to try to regain honor(which he never did anything to lose) by joining the Watch, and let his own kids and Theon of all people make fun of him.

Just so Ned's best buddy can play king, get drunk, screw whores, and make bad decisions that leads to basically everyone dying.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

You should really get an incest pass if your fake dad lies to you about who your parents are.

The more I think about it, the more rotten it is of Ned to let the rightful heir to the throne think he is a bastard, let his wife bag on him all the time, and allow him to try to regain honor(which he never did anything to lose) by joining the Watch, and let his own kids and Theon of all people make fun of him.

Just so Ned's best buddy can play king, get drunk, screw whores, and make bad decisions that leads to basically everyone dying.

But if your fake dad tells people, you get murdered.

 

[Jack Brickman]

But if your fake dad tells people, you get murdered.

Yeah, it's not like Ned hid Jon to be a dick. Robert would have literally murdered Jon if he knew he existed, and that likely would have resulted in Starks and Baratheons going to war right on the heels of war with the Targaryens.

It was kind of a dick move for Ned to let Jon join the Night's Watch without telling him, though, knowing it effectively killed two birds for him.

 

[Cavatt]

But if your fake dad tells people, you get murdered.

This is a damned if you do, damned if you don't I guess. He could have easily said, "Hey! I found a random baby" or something instead of sentencing him to life as a bastard. He could have at least told Catelyn or Jon himself once he was a teenager.

 

[Jack Brickman]

This is a damned if you do, damned if you don't I guess. He could have easily said, "Hey! I found a random baby" or something instead of sentencing him to life as a bastard. He could have at least told Catelyn or Jon himself once he was a teenager.

Given how Varys always seemed to find out everything, I think Ned's refusal to tell anyone who didn't already know (which was basically just Howland Reed, right?) was justifiable given the consequences if someone found out. Imagine Robert finds out that Ned has been hiding Rhaegar's son for over a decade. Robert isn't simply going to just execute Jon. It's going to mean another war, and Ned clearly was trying to do everything he could to avoid that outcome.