The Paul George Safari: LeBron Strikes Back!

[JMoneyYourHoney]

If you don't want to be part of a discussion like that, that's fine; then I would agree this is the end of the discussion with you...

It's not up to person getting their ass kicked to decide to end a discussion. You lost and continue to lose.

P.S. Fuck Lue.

 

[TitleTown]

Of course not.. because .. reasons...

It could apply to fucking anyone.. it's a silly argument.. one made simply because there's no basis in fact to argue on the merits.

Dunno why people have to get personal over someone saying the obvious. Go to any forum in the NBA and they'd tell you the same thing.

For the record, I'm not taking it personal. I just dont agree.

 

[Kizzle]

I think a pure swap on PG13 and Love does a lot more than ppl want to admit. We all thought we had a shot VS GS and that loss in 5 humbled us. So now people are afraid to say too much.


Swapping out Love for PG straight up HELPS our 3 pt shooting, playmaking and defense. We finally would have a guy we could stick on KD and call it a day. That same guy is also a beast in pick and roll D so positions 1 through 5 could switch pretty fluidly.

Now the main problem in the first place was our bench. Our bench was a risk of giving up 10 points in 1 minute every time we subbed out LeBron. It may not look like it cause KD bent us over so hard, but our starters actually played with their starters for the most part. Its just our guys are older and didn't have a set offense that worked and theirs did.

 

[gourimoko]

By that logic, LBJ was a non-factor in winning two titles because we didn't win titles. That's too basic--it fails when tested against other players.

No, you're statement here is accurate... The logic is very straight forward.

LeBron was NOT a factor in winning two titles that we didn't win. How could he be? The statement itself is nonsensical.

LeBron was a factor in winning the one title we have; Love was not. This is obvious, no?

Bro, winning a title is a binary operation; you either win or lose... the right hand of this equation is either 1 or 0. If you didn't win, then there's no contribution to winning something you lost. If you did win, then how do you measure the individual contribution? When you use standard means of doing so, you find that Love was not an overall positive factor to the one title we actually won.

Love's stats in this 3rd finals are GREAT for a 3rd fiddle. He was not why we lost. Our team defense was why we lost.

That's totally fine, but that's beside the point I made.. You're making a different argument, and one I don't necessarily disagree with.

The only player I'd trade Love for, personally, is PG. And I'm not convinced that makes us better overall. I actually think we'd be worse offensively by replacing Love with PG, but better defensively. So, it's probably a wash.

It might be, but again, this is a different conversation. I really just want to keep my argument limited to what I said previously; which is that Love did not positively contribute to our Finals series in 2015-16.

 

[gourimoko]

It's not up to person getting their ass kicked to decide to end a discussion. You lost and continue to lose.

P.S. Fuck Lue.

Dude what the fuck are you talking about? Go sit down somewhere.

 

[Gus Zing]

You can compare Love to a baseline, an average level player; you can look at Love's usage and see where those possessions went and did they help or hurt the Cavs...

If you don't want to be part of a discussion like that, that's fine; then I would agree this is the end of the discussion with you...

I was one of the happiest people for Kevin Love last year when we won the title. However, the fact we're celebrating that he scored 9 points is part of the problem. Cause as much other good stuff he did we couldn't score late in game 7. If we had lost Kevin would have been the scapegoat and it would have been sad seeing the reaction around the league. I was not only happy...but relieved for him. Its not that Kevin isn't a very good player. He just can't consistently score efficiently vs. the best team in the league. And it hurts us. I'm all for keeping him. However, against the Warriors we need a guy like Melo to be that 3rd scorer while Love does all the dirty work. If he's on fire great. However, we're screwed against this Warriors team when Love is off currently.

By that logic, LBJ was a non-factor in winning two titles because we didn't win titles. That's too basic--it fails when tested against other players.

Love's stats in this 3rd finals are GREAT for a 3rd fiddle. He was not why we lost. Our team defense was why we lost.

The only player I'd trade Love for, personally, is PG. And I'm not convinced that makes us better overall. I actually think we'd be worse offensively by replacing Love with PG, but better defensively. So, it's probably a wash.

From games 3 to 5 he shot 32% and averaged 12/9.

Those type of streaks can't happen against this version of the Warriors. It can't happen if we expect to win.

 

[LennoxLewis]

George for sure would help in areas we lack, but our rebounding would be even worser, and LeBron is most likely our 4 unless we get someone to play there. I know adding George wouldnt be our only move, but adding him alone doesn't help us beat GSW. It's why I'd honestly rather build around our big 3 instead of banking on George and some vet min signings.

 

[TitleTown]

I really just want to keep my argument limited to what I said previously; which is that Love did not positively contribute to our Finals series in 2015-16.

Well, to this limited view, Love had a serious concussion for 3 of the games. Once he was recovered, he played well, and he played well before the concussion too.

So, if your point is that Love is an injury problem often, and hampered because of it, I can't disagree with that. But if you are evaluating his play in that finals when healthy, then I'd have to disagree still.

 

[Kbiz]

View: https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/880164438216757248


Love for George. Melo for TT. Let them fight for the "4 spot", whatever that means these days. Tavares big ugly mug at the 5. Roll the dice and see what happens.

 

[LeeBuckeye]

We need PG for his length, athleticism, versatility and defense against KD. We squandered many 1st round picks at players who've not helped us achieve the ultimate goal. Yeah we won a championship but could we have done that without Frye last year and I think we manage to lose 4-1 without Korver as well. Poor asset management plus guys regressing (TT/Shump/JR) is the only reason Love is being sacrificed.

Kevin Love just didn't match up well against the Warriors and missed way too many bunnies making him APPEAR at times like he was a detriment when he played admirably on defense, moved the ball well and rebounded like crazy. I appreciate everything he has done for us but I do think this change is needed in order to facilitate further moves (more productive veterans eyeing us and replacing useless guys on the bench).

Oh and I agree, TT for Melo has to happen

 

[Kizzle]

View: https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/880164438216757248


Love for George. Melo for TT. Let them fight for the "4 spot", whatever that means these days. Tavares big ugly mug at the 5. Roll the dice and see what happens.

Knicks are coming off in this situation as dumbasses to me.

They have to be aware that literally no one is going to trade anything good for Melo right? Seeing as 100% of the league knows he wont play for them again. Like do they really think anyone is gonna give away assets to them when they can just wait a year and sign him?

Like cmon Knicks just buy him out and take the L. Yall should've traded him 3 years ago when he had value. Now they want to do it 4 years too late lol

 

[RuanuLaw]

Knicks are coming off in this situation as dumbasses to me.

They have to be aware that literally no one is going to trade anything good for Melo right? Seeing as 100% of the league knows he wont play for them again. Like do they really think anyone is gonna give away assets to them when they can just wait a year and sign him?

Like cmon Knicks just buy him out and take the L. Yall should've traded him 3 years ago when he had value. Now they want to do it 4 years too late lol

Maybe the are looking for expiring contracts just to reduce the spending amount??

 

[Kizzle]

Im not gonna lie, id pay money to see Melo on Houston or San Antonio

 

[RuanuLaw]

I may be wrong in thinking this, but I would trade Love for George because I believe that whatever Love gave us against GS, George would easily replace it and then some. I think he averaged around 17pts and 8 rebounds.

Who here doesn't think that George can easily replace that?

 

[inliner311]

Maybe the are looking for expiring contracts just to reduce the spending amount??

I think that's what they are doing for sure. They just want to save 25 million over a buyout. That why if I'm the front office, I don't give them anything of value. If it's Shump, RJ, and Frye, I try to move Shump and Frye for similar number and years to someone else so we can gain some assets. Even if it's 2 second rounders, we are doing the Knicks a favor they shouldn't gain any assets from it.