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I mean we are probably gutting our roster if we trade for George and Anthony. Anthony making 26 million and has a 15% trade kicker which makes a trade really difficult. Shumpert, Frye and Jefferson make about 19 million, so TT would either have to be involved or we somehow add players in a deal for George to move to NY, which seems unlikely.

Honestly think it's a one or the other scenario unless the Cavs get creative, if only we still had a creative GM.
 
Couldnt we sign him to a two year MLE deal ($5.1 per year), and then up his salary in year 3 with early bird rights?

Then use the BAE for some combo of Cedi/Derrick?

So, in that scenario, Melo's salary looks like this:

2017-18: $5.20M
2018-19: $5.46M
2019-20: $9.50M (175% under Early Bird Exception)
2020-21: $9.93M
2021-22: $10.37M

That's $40M/5... Now, Melo might be okay with something like that, given he's still likely to get upwards of $40M+ from the Knicks, so, if he gets say.. $45M, that'd be $95M/5Y in total guaranteed earnings. That's an average salary of $19M carrying him until he's 38 years old. That's not bad.

But.. Melo could also sign a 3-year deal with another team, a Wade-like deal, with less up front but one more year. Something like $60M/3Y

In that instance, Melo's salary looks like:

2017-18: $5.20M (1+1 opt-out, how can the Cavs say no?)
2018-19: $20.00M
2019-20: $20.90M
2020-21: $21.84M

That's $68M/4, in addition to his $45M buyout (hypothetically, again); so that's $113M/4Y with one fewer year under contract.. an average salary of $28.25M/yr.

Now, since whatever contract he signs will be his last, the number of years is actually not all that relevant; it's simply gross earnings at this point, which makes average salary a bit less relevant too.

The relevant number here is $18M. That's the salary differential between Cavs 1+1 MLE and Melo signing somewhere else for $20M, or the Cavs doing a 2+1 MLE deal with the promise of offering Melo a 120% contract in 2-years.

I think it's preferential for the Cavs and Melo to avoid this though... For Melo, it could mean slightly more money or slightly less, but lack of guaranteed income while playing at a high level. If you're Melo, do you want a 2-year deal at age 33? I wouldn't. I'd want to sign for the longest term possible...

If I'm Melo, I want the Cavs to trade for me; hire Rich Paul as my agent; opt-out, and work out a deal with the Cavs alongside LeBron James simultaneously (see: Tristan Thompson). This could net him significantly more money if he signed an $80M/4Y deal while James signed a max contract.

Anyway, there's LOTS of moving parts, but I don't think Melo would be in favor of taking a 120% raise over a taxpayer MLE salary. It's possible.. but I just don't think that's what James or Melo would try to pull off.
 
Honestly think it's a one or the other scenario unless the Cavs get creative, if only we still had a creative GM.

Griffin didn't work in isolation. His assistants were a big part of every move. There's no reason to think that the people current running the FO can't handle creative trade scenarios.

We are fine. I like our options.
 
I mean we are probably gutting our roster if we trade for George and Anthony. Anthony making 26 million and has a 15% trade kicker which makes a trade really difficult.

Anthony can waive any portion of that kicker to make a trade work. Trading RJ/Shump/Frye means Anthony waives almost the entire kicker.

This exact same thing just happened with CP3, who waived all of his 15% trade kicker except $670k which was allowed under the CBA.

Shumpert, Frye and Jefferson make about 19 million, so TT would either have to be involved or we somehow add players in a deal for George to move to NY, which seems unlikely.

Shump/Frye/Jefferson + filler works for Melo without TT.

Shump+Frye+Jefferson is $20.3M.
Carmelo Anthony's salary is 26.2M

Cavs need to send out at least $20.88M to take back Anthony. That's a difference of ~$600k.

Cavs could just include Tavares or Felder to make this deal work.

In the instance that we included Tavares, Cavs would be sending out $21.73M and taking back $26.2M; which would mean Melo's trade kicker would be $963k, and his cap hit would be $27.16M.

Honestly think it's a one or the other scenario unless the Cavs get creative, if only we still had a creative GM.

I honestly don't think there's really much more to it than this. This scenario is the most likely one to get Melo on the Cavs. Knicks get out of paying Melo, clear their books, and get a $10M TPE with Shump going to a 3rd team. It should make a great deal of sense to everyone involved.
 
Anthony can waive any portion of that kicker to make a trade work. Trading RJ/Shump/Frye means Anthony waives almost the entire kicker.

This exact same thing just happened with CP3, who waived all of his 15% trade kicker except $670k which was allowed under the CBA.



Shump/Frye/Jefferson + filler works for Melo without TT.

Shump+Frye+Jefferson is $20.3M.
Carmelo Anthony's salary is 26.2M

Cavs need to send out at least $20.88M to take back Anthony. That's a difference of ~$600k.

Cavs could just include Tavares or Felder to make this deal work.

In the instance that we included Tavares, Cavs would be sending out $21.73M and taking back $26.2M; which would mean Melo's trade kicker would be $963k, and his cap hit would be $27.16M.



I honestly don't think there's really much more to it than this. This scenario is the most likely one to get Melo on the Cavs. Knicks get out of paying Melo, clear their books, and get a $10M TPE with Shump going to a 3rd team. It should make a great deal of sense to everyone involved.
Correct me if I'm wrong but if they take back more salary than they send out aren't they being taxed on that at almost 4 times the amount?
In other words for every million they bring back they pay out 3.88 million in tax...so in this scenario would they owe
roughly 6 million times 3.88 or a total tax of 23.28 million. How is Gilbert ever going to agree to that...at some point he has to say no more ..right?
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but if they take back more salary than they send out aren't they being taxed on that at almost 4 times the amount?

Cavs pay luxury tax at the end of next season, and yes, we're in the repeater tax; so every dollar over the tax threshold gets the shit taxed out of it.

In other words for every million they bring back they pay out 3.88 million in tax...so in this scenario would they owe
roughly 6 million times 3.88 or a total tax of 23.28 million. How is Gilbert ever going to agree to that...at some point he has to say no more ..right?

We can't really start cutting salaries now though...

Keep in mind, Golden State is in the exact same position starting next season. Bobby Marks just wrote a piece on this, detailing how Klay Thompson being named All-NBA next season could force their hand into offering him the DPE. He puts their total expenditure at $1.4B (B, as in billion) over the course of Curry's contract if they keep everyone together.

James understands this... So if Gilbert says no, then he'll walk, just as CP3 walked when Doc refused to accept a deal for Carmelo...

These guys want to win championships, and you're right, it's going to cost a tremendous amount of money to do just that.
 
LeBron wants to win and I think he wants to win in Cleveland but I also think there's some personal satisfaction if he can make Gilbert continue to pay through the nose to do it.
 
Significant news posted on a Lakers fan website...doesn't seem the Lakers will up their trade offer for Paul George:

NBA Trade Rumors: Lakers won’t trade Brandon Ingram or Lonzo Ball for Paul George, will instead wait for free agency


The Los Angeles Lakers have made it clear as day they plan to keep their cap space open for 2018 with basically every move they make. The team used D’Angelo Russell to offload Timofey Mozgov’s contract to make sure they would have extra space next summer, and general manager Rob Pelinka has called 2018 cap space “sacred” to the team’s plans.

The reason they’re being so prudent is that they (very transparently) hope to add hell-bent on Los Angeles Indiana Pacers All-Star Paul George next summer, along with (reportedly) another max player like LeBron James.

The operative phrase there is “next summer,” because although the Lakers were rumored in endless trade talks involving George in the lead-up to 2017 the NBA Draft, they don’t think they are going to get him in a trade anymore and will just wait for free agency, according to Mark Medina of the Southern California News Group:

To be smart in free agency, the Lakers also have set their eyes on two realities. The Lakers are not expecting to acquire George from the Indiana Pacers amid their insistence on keeping Lonzo Ball and Brandon Ingram. With their hopes set on George becoming available next summer, the Lakers want to pursue players who fit specific criteria that would accelerate the young roster’s development.

If the Lakers’ only two options are to move Ball or Ingram to get George or wait for him in free agency, then this is a necessary gamble. George is a very, very good player, but not the type of player a team should give up the centerpieces of a rebuild for. Not after dealing one No. 2 pick a week ago, and especially with George seemingly so intent on ending up with the Lakers anyway.


https://www.silverscreenandroll.com...lonzo-ball-lebron-james-free-agency-cap-space
 
Phoenix will meet with Blake and Millsap at the start of free agency. If Phoenix can somehow get millsap (who Denver also want). Then Denver may look to try get K Love more and offer a better package to Indiana in a 3 team trade in which we'll get paul george.

This obviously would mean ainge gets worried and doesn't offer Indiana anything due to not believing Paul George will resign with them ...

Millsap may also just take big money and stay at Hawks. Best thing for cavs would be for Denver to miss out on Millsap and start looking at love again
 
Wouldn't the Cavs be hard capped? Can't even engage in a sign and trade at that point, I thought.
 
Wouldn't the Cavs be hard capped? Can't even engage in a sign and trade at that point, I thought.

You are right.

These guys, who are journalists, have no clue how salary cap and all works.

How the fuck do they become journalists?
 

The Cavs cannot sign-and-trade for George Hill on a new contract and also bring in Paul George... It's literally next to impossible to do under the CBA.

For the Cavs to sign-and-trade for Hill, we would need to end up at $124M in total salary for the YEAR, not the end of the trade... the year. We'd have no further exceptions, no MLE, nothing.. Totally hard capped.

George Hill will likely sign for substantially more than Irving currently makes, and the Cavs are already at $127M in salary. So if George signs for $25M/yr with a $100M/4Y S&T, that would already put the Cavs over the limit... way over the limit.... Bringing on Paul George, would add $19.3M to this; meaning the Cavs would need to shave at least $30M in salaries (outside of Irving), somehow, in order to make this work.

:chuckle:

It's absurd...
 
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Wouldn't the Cavs be hard capped? Can't even engage in a sign and trade at that point, I thought.

The Cavs can S&T but in order for the trade to be legal, we have to end up at $124M in salary... That's not possible if we trade Irving for George Hill and PG13... Even if we traded both Irving and Love, and took back only Hill and PG13, we'd still be over the limit.

We'd have to salary dump two of Shump, Frye and/or JR Smith...

And then, yes, we'd be hardcapped; and we'd be able to use no further exceptions, not even the vet min exception.
 

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