Despised TFA, didn't think anything could be worse than that... The Last Jedi though, like, I literally felt like Rian Johnson walked up to me and spat in my face.
The movie was basically a fuck you to Star Wars, it's fans, it's tradition, pretty much the whole mythos; Johnson was both overtly and covertly arguing should be left in the past -- that it's now time for something new -- while in the middle of a trilogy making billions off of fan nostalgia.
It's just a shitty thing to do and that's why the movie is so hated.
I wanted to love it... Like, @col63onel and I had talked about Rian Johnson being such a welcome change, that he had the chops to get it done...
From the very first scene with Poe and Hux, I just started to feel this sense of dread.. like.. oh no..
Yup.
I was a fanatical Star Wars fan. I am old enough to have seen ROTJ in its second original run, saw the 1997 re-release of the OT films twice in the theaters, saw the prequel films, as mediocre as they were, at least thrice in the theaters. Bought the pirated laserdisc to DVD version of the OT back in college well before Lucasfilm released stuff on DVD. Devoted to the Clone Wars (both versions), even saw the film twice in the theater. Love Rebels and have read a lot of the EU. I have a few of the high-end official lightsaber replicas. I have never lost a game of Star Wars Trivial Pursuit.
Didn't like TFA that much but still saw it twice at the IMAX. Love Rogue One to tears.
I fucking despise TLJ with all my being, both as a fan and as a rational human who thinks. It is the first Star Wars film I only saw once and have not bought for home use. Because of it directly I did not see Solo in the theater. It is debatable whether I see Episode IX at all.
Disney has a problem when I, a stupid fanboy, stop seeing films because they've savaged the universe.
And, hey, it's me! The protests over "the SJW" aspect of the film has no purchase with me.
The new movies just should have taken a much different direction. Not a fan of the story they went with.
Yup.
I was a fanatical Star Wars fan. I am old enough to have seen ROTJ in its second original run, saw the 1997 re-release of the OT films twice in the theaters, saw the prequel films, as mediocre as they were, at least thrice in the theaters. Bought the pirated laserdisc to DVD version of the OT back in college well before Lucasfilm released stuff on DVD. Devoted to the Clone Wars (both versions), even saw the film twice in the theater. Love Rebels and have read a lot of the EU. I have a few of the high-end official lightsaber replicas. I have never lost a game of Star Wars Trivial Pursuit.
Didn't like TFA that much but still saw it twice at the IMAX. Love Rogue One to tears.
I fucking despise TLJ with all my being, both as a fan and as a rational human who thinks. It is the first Star Wars film I only saw once and have not bought for home use. Because of it directly I did not see Solo in the theater. It is debatable whether I see Episode IX at all.
Disney has a problem when I, a stupid fanboy, stop seeing films because they've savaged the universe.
And, hey, it's me! The protests over "the SJW" aspect of the film has no purchase with me.
I can pinpoint the precise moment they finally lost me for good - when Leia did her flying through space trick. It was so laughably bad that I have to believe that a lot of folks seeing that scene during production thought it was bad as well, but that didn't matter. "Ah, fuck it. It's Star Wars, and nobody will care if that scene looks ridiculous."
Fuck them. I cared.
Has to be the absolute dumbest scene I've seen in any movie or show, ever.Yep...
That was when I turned to my wife and told her Star Wars was dead.
Yep...
That was when I turned to my wife and told her Star Wars was dead.
Star Wars has been dead for about twenty years now.
I figured you'd say that... but we've got some really great Star Wars lore in the past 20 years (and yes, based on the prequels! ).
But Clone Wars, Rebels, Knights of the Old Republic... the vast majority of the EU really...
Yeah, but most of that is just side projects. With that argument, you could use Rogue One and, to a lesser extent, Solo to show that Star Wars is indeed still alive.
The fact remains we haven't gotten a good actual Star Wars movie in almost forty years.
Depends on how you define "good." I do include Rogue One, but here's my personal breakdown of "good" as it relates to sci-fi/fantasy films:
Great
1. Empire Strikes Back
2. A New Hope
3. Return of the Jedi (this used to be #2 for me)
Good
4. Rogue One
Average/Okay
5. Revenge of the Sith
6. Solo
Below Average
7. Attack of the Clones
Bad but not awful
9. The Phantom Menace
Disqualified for plagiarism (may not matter to some)
10. The Force Awakens
Abominations
11. The Last Jedi
Rogue One gave me hope...
I saw Solo; I personally wasn't all that thrilled about it.. Thinking back, it just felt rushed and frankly unfinished -- and I think that's largely because it was done by 3 different directors with 70-80% reshoots and some very sloppy (or maybe genius?) editing...
But you could feel how poorly constructed Solo was... I also think Alden Ehrenreich was probably, stylistically a decent choice, but he didn't actually succeed in the part -- and I would've thought someone would have noticed that.
Also Emilia Clarke was ... not the best choice; at all. Also, Clarke, Ridley, and Felicity Jones are very similar in their unassuming looks. Like, not sure who is doing the casting at Lucasfilm but they obviously have a type.
I mean, not to go into a full review of the film, but.. when I saw Solo, it didn't change my mind post-TLJ; I still felt like Star Wars was dead.
Depends on how you define "good." I do include Rogue One, but here's my personal breakdown of "good" as it relates to sci-fi/fantasy films:
Great
1. Empire Strikes Back
2. A New Hope
3. Return of the Jedi (this used to be #2 for me)
Good
4. Rogue One
Average/Okay
5. Revenge of the Sith
6. Solo
Below Average
7. Attack of the Clones
Bad but not awful
9. The Phantom Menace
Disqualified for plagiarism (may not matter to some)
10. The Force Awakens
Abominations
11. The Last Jedi