The Trump Administration (just Trump) Thread

[czvo]

This shouldn't really surprise anyone. 73% of mass killings since 83 have been carried out by white men. The FBI said last year that right wing extremism, and white supremacist infiltration into law enforcement, is the #1 domestic threat to America. And NOW we have a President who rode all of this to the White House.

And that's BEFORE even talking about the white nationalists in the fucking White House (Bannon, Gorka...)

Whatever. I'm sick of people acting surprised by this shit when so many of us were shouting it from the rooftops. A lot of people saw this coming.

 

[DJTJ]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goose_step

"The step originated in Prussian military drill in the mid-18th century and was called the Stechschritt(literally, "piercing step") or Stechmarsch. German and Soviet military advisors spread the tradition throughout the world in the 19th and 20th centuries. The goose step is now used by the militaries of over seventy countries, comprising three-fifths of the world's population."

By your logic the militaries representing 3/5 of the world's population all march like Nazis. The goose step was neither created by the Nazis nor is it exclusive to them.

You mean by my admitted logic of not knowing the word to describe how's Nazis march?

Classic.

 

[DJTJ]

Youre misunderstaning the point.

Mediumballer is explaining how individuals of a group dont represent the whole. He used blm to illustrate it because you guys are more willing to think clearly about that group logically

Read back.

Dave, an individual Nazi... does not represent... a Nazi.

This is what needs to be rationalized in order for what he (and you) would like to equate.

Can you explain how one Nazi isn't a Nazi, but one BLM supporter not at one specific rally is a cop killing supporter?

 

[MediumBaller]

Dave, an individual Nazi... does not represent... a Nazi.

This is what needs to be rationalized in order for what he (and you) would like to equate.

Can you explain how one Nazi isn't a Nazi, but one BLM supporter not at one specific rally is a cop killing supporter?

We're not arguing that a Nazi doesn't equal a Nazi. We are arguing that a group, some of which are Nazis, doesn't equal a Nazi group. We had the exact some argument a few days ago about BLM.

 

[David.]

Dave, an individual Nazi... does not represent... a Nazi.

This is what needs to be rationalized in order for what he (and you) would like to equate.

Can you explain how one Nazi isn't a Nazi, but one BLM supporter not at one specific rally is a cop killing supporter?

Can you find a post where mediumballer argued that an ireffutable nazi wasnt a nazi?

I looked back and what i argued was correct. Mediumballer claimed one nazi doesnt represent the whole group.

Hopefully equating blm and the logic of group dynamic representation more sense now.

 

[MediumBaller]

This shouldn't really surprise anyone. 73% of mass killings since 83 have been carried out by white men. The FBI said last year that right wing extremism, and white supremacist infiltration into law enforcement, is the #1 domestic threat to America. And NOW we have a President who rode all of this to the White House.

And that's BEFORE even talking about the white nationalists in the fucking White House (Bannon, Gorka...)

Whatever. I'm sick of people acting surprised by this shit when so many of us were shouting it from the rooftops. A lot of people saw this coming.

I really don't think you want to bring up crime statistics... It isn't going to help your argument.

 

[AZ_]

Which of these torch wielding marchers isn't advocating for white supremacy.

It's literally a white supremicist march.


Watching people defend this is staggering.

And of course, the Presidents weak ass position kind of sums it up.

 

[Cavatt]

Youre misunderstaning the point.

Mediumballer is explaining how individuals of a group dont represent the whole. He used blm to illustrate it because you guys are more willing to think clearly about that group logically

Read back.

So what is this March about then?

 

[DJTJ]

We're not arguing that a Nazi doesn't equal a Nazi. We are arguing that a group, some of which are Nazis, doesn't equal a Nazi group. We had the exact some argument a few days ago about BLM.

No, you're really not, though. You're trying to equalize the two in order to normalize the current happenings. It's painfully obvious, it's exactly what AZ described at the top of this page.

Look, I'll flat ask you. Do you believe this singular march was originated by white nationalists, of which, Nazis make up the largest sect? If your answer is yes, they're not the same.

One BLM March... In a section of a much larger March... is literally not equatable.

Can you find a post where mediumballer argued that an ireffutable nazi wasnt a nazi?

I looked back and what i argued was correct. Mediumballer claimed one nazi doesnt represent the whole group.

Hopefully equating blm and the logic of group dynamic representation more sense now.

Dave, this is a white supremacist March. It's openly a thing. People, and a large amount, are carrying Nazi flags, and torches.

Do you personally not believe it's a Nazi March?

 

[BA_CavsFan]

It was literally explained to you.

If you dont understand the point, thats your personal problem. Dont expect everyone else to slow down for you for remedial purposes.

Here's the thing - I don't think we can have a debate about BLM without you first acknowledging sincerely that what's happened in Charlottesville over the last 24 hours should be unequivocally condemned. Otherwise all I hear is that because one group under a completely different context and in response to certain tangible instances of systematic oppression also incited violence (which I'm not condoning either), the events of today are a justifiable response. I'm not slow, I'm trying to establish that you and others who have hid behind BLM today are truly of the opinion that hate and violence are fundamentally bad, as opposed to just believing that hate and violence against a certain type of people are bad. It saddens me that this has to be stated explicitly, but that's today's reality. And I also believe it's the first step towards making progress. Unequivocally condemn the Nazis, it's really not that hard.

 

[David.]

So what is this March about then?

How the fuck should i know?

Im trying to seytle a few pages of fallacy so people can stop being mad about an argument no one is making

"Let me slow it down for you nazis are bad" is just an absolutely ridiculous post to write. If someone is that mad about something, chances are its because they fucked up, not someone else.

 

[BA_CavsFan]

How the fuck should i know?

Im trying to seytle a few pages of fallacy so people can stop being mad about an argument no one is making

"Let me slow it down for you nazis are bad" is just an absolutely ridiculous post to write. If someone is that mad about something, chances are its because they fucked up, not someone else.

We need to establish ground truth. Otherwise it's just noise like you're saying.

 

[Cavatt]

How the fuck should i know?

Im trying to seytle a few pages of fallacy so people can stop being mad about an argument no one is making

"Let me slow it down for you nazis are bad" is just an absolutely ridiculous post to write. If someone is that mad about something, chances are its because they fucked up, not someone else.

It's a white supremacists March. There is no fallacy, there are Nazis there. We weren't lumping anyone, there are a bunch of Nazis there and white supremacists matching with them.

 

[David.]

Dave, this is a white supremacist March. It's openly a thing.

People, and a large amount, are carrying Nazi flags, and torches.

Do you personally not believe it's a Nazi March?

Djtj before moving on to a different argument can you confirm that you now understand the one we are having?

 

[DJTJ]

Djtj before moving on to a different argument can you confirm that you now understand the one we are having?

I've understood it the whole time.

I vehemently disagree with what you're attempting to equate as equivalent.