The unofficial Obamacare thread...

[Cavsfan1985]

When last I checked, nearly two-thirds of Americans supported expanding Medicare to support everyone. While you're right, our government and our politicians are too corrupt to support such a move; the American people certainly do.

I am curious to where you got that number. If that's the case and it was a main concern for the majority of America we would have elected politicians who would do it.

 

[gourimoko]

I am curious to where you got that number.

Gallup May 2016:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/191504/majority-support-idea-fed-funded-healthcare-system.aspx

And that number is conservative and during an election year. Depending upon the way the question is phrased, I've seen it go as high as 68%.

If that's the case and it was a main concern for the majority of America we would have elected politicians who would do it.

You would think people would vote for their own self-interests instead of that of millionaires and billionaires, wouldn't you?

 

[Jack Brickman]

I am curious to where you got that number. If that's the case and it was a main concern for the majority of America we would have elected politicians who would do it.

It's a side effect of living in a time period when every issue has to be politicized to the point where, if one party supports something, you can be damn sure the other will be vehemently against it.

 

[Cavsfan1985]

It's a side effect of living in a time period when every issue has to be politicized to the point where, if one party supports something, you can be damn sure the other will be vehemently against it.

Your right it does. But this is a huge change for many Americans. The issue is you have both sides think there is the best idea and neither side will budge.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Your right it does. But this is a huge change for many Americans. The issue is you have both sides think there is the best idea and neither side will budge.

It's a change, sure, but if every other first world country on Earth can handle universal healthcare, I'd like to think we can too. We shouldn't be so abysmal in categories like healthcare (at least on average...I know we have great healthcare if you're rich) and education when we're the richest country in the history of the world.

 

[David.]

So I'm looking to buy health insurance for the first time ever..

Only did ten minutes of research but these premiums and deductibles make no sense fiscally for me. Everything looks like it basically is catastrophic at this point.

Always been the case or is this the aftermath of aca

 

[Cavsfan1985]

One thing I have always wondered is part of the reason healthcare is getting out of control is the move the US economy is going to more skilled and less labor intensive trades. Less people are active at work, which is not good for the body. The US also is one of the most Obese countries in the world as well. I know a lot of people like to blame insurance companies and medical companies, but should some of the blame also be on people themselves?

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[David.]

One thing I have always wondered is part of the reason healthcare is getting out of control is the move the US economy is going to more skilled and less labor intensive trades. Less people are active at work, which is not good for the body. The US also is one of the most Obese countries in the world as well. I know a lot of people like to blame insurance companies and medical companies, but should some of the blame also be on people themselves?

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A lot goes into that one. We are working longer and products and services of convenience are huge. High fructose corn syrup is married to our economy. All of this is going to have a negative impact on health

 

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[cavman]

I'm not looking forward to going back to the old medicaid. I have felt first hand what the expanded medicaid feels like and it's far and away better than what it was in 2008.

The shift my doctors have taken in saving money is noticeable also. Opting for cheaper preventive care for my condition has been the mantra for the last 5 years at the Cleveland clinic.

The ACA did get some stuff right that I would hate to see go.

 

[Sebastian]

I'm not looking forward to going back to the old medicaid. I have felt first hand what the expanded medicaid feels like and it's far and away better than what it was in 2008.

The shift my doctors have taken in saving money is noticeable also. Opting for cheaper preventive care for my condition has been the mantra for the last 5 years at the Cleveland clinic.

The ACA did get some stuff right that I would hate to see go.

Who cares about your health or proper medical care?

The only real question that is relevant to this bill passing is" "Does this make someone really rich/are there tax breaks for the rich?" Yes or No. If Yes, than the GOP loves it.

Bonus: "Will poor people be punished for being poor?" Yes.

FAST TRACK THIS BILL.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Who cares about your health or proper medical care?

The only real question that is relevant to this bill passing is" "Does this make someone really rich/are there tax breaks for the rich?" Yes or No. If Yes, than the GOP loves it.

Bonus: "Will poor people be punished for being poor?" Yes.

FAST TRACK THIS BILL.

 

[Sebastian]

A lot goes into that one. We are working longer and products and services of convenience are huge. High fructose corn syrup is married to our economy. All of this is going to have a negative impact on health

A perfect example of why every Congressman should be dragged from Capitol Hill, placed in cages and poked at with sticks by small children.

Everyone knows corn-syrup is terrible for people and how much money it costs tax-payers thanks to the poor health it induces. Yet, once again, if you have the money you can get any legislation you want passed. Let's put it in everything! This is Iowa's fault.

With how cavalier these Congresscritters are it is surprising one has never been lynched at a town-hall or something. Though it looks like Chaffetz is really pressing his luck. God help some of these guys if this tremendous, fantastic Trumpcare passes. Those AARP people are mighty angry and have plenty of time on their hands.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Everyone knows corn-syrup is terrible for people and how much money it costs tax-payers thanks to the poor health it induces. Yet, once again, if you have the money you can get any legislation you want passed. Let's put it in everything! This is Iowa's fault.

I've always found it interesting how little regard our government officials have for the well-being of our country's citizens with issues like this. You see other first-world countries actually addressing what's in the best interests of their citizens. Here all our elected officials care about are the people writing them big checks.

 

[Sebastian]

Whoops. So much for the predictable Fox News hit jobs on the CBO.

Trump White House Analysis of Obamacare Repeal Sees Even Deeper Insurance Losses than CBO

"The White House's own internal analysis of the GOP plan to repeal and replace Obamacare show even steeper coverage losses than the projections by the Congressional Budget Office, according to a document viewed by POLITICO on Monday.

The executive branch analysis forecast that 26 million people would lose coverage over the next decade, versus the 24 million CBO estimate — a finding that undermines White House efforts to discredit the forecasts from the nonpartisan CBO.
The analysis found that under the American Health Care Act the coverage losses would include 17 million for Medicaid, six million in the individual market and three million in employer-based plans.

A total of 54 million individuals would be uninsured in 2026 under the GOP plan, according to the White House analysis. That’s nearly double the number projected under current law.

White House spokesmen did not respond to requests for comment Monday evening.

The White House and congressional Republicans have aggressively sought to undercut the CBO projection by pointing to how far off its coverage estimates for the Affordable Care Act ultimately proved. The nonpartisan budget office predicted that 21 million individuals would gain coverage through the exchange markets in 2016, but only about half that many actually enrolled.

“We disagree strenuously with the report that was put out,” HHS Secretary Tom Price told reporters about the CBO after leaving a Cabinet meeting with Trump at the White House. “It’s just not believable is what we would suggest.” While serving as the House Budget Committee chairman, Price had a role in appointing the current head of the CBO who is a conservative economist.

But that effort to discredit CBO’s projections is undermined by the fact that the White House’s own analysis reached a similar — and slightly bleaker — conclusion about how the GOP plan would increase the number of uninsured Americans.

The document was not dated, but clearly referred to the bill currently being considered in the House. The bill was already under attack from both very conservative members who wanted it to go further, as well as moderates worried about coverage erosion particularly in Medicaid. The CBO number made the task of passing it even more challenging."

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/obamacare-uninsured-white-house-236019