Trade Rumor(s)

[godfather]

I don't think it's a horrible trade and I think it's a prelude to other moves Ainge has lined up but yes, you'd think they certainly could have gotten more for the #1 pick.

But let's not act like Fultz is a LeBron, Duncan, Shaq, AD, or even Derrick Rose.

He could turn out that way, but the perception and value in the pick is not at that level of certainty.

Derrick Rose has been a borderline bust. He's only 28 and not even an all-star talent anymore.

 

[czvo]

Derrick Rose has been a borderline bust. He's only 28 and not even an all-star talent anymore.

Man, I hate when unforeseen injuries are used to call guys busts. If Rose had knee issues as a prospect, sure, call him a bust. But he had a clean bill of health, a ROY and MVP before his knees failed him. No way anyone could have seen it coming.

 

[godfather]

The Sixers are next powerhouse in the East.

I think it's pretty stupid to bet on IT if this is their mindset of the trade. If Josh Jackson ends up just as good, or close, then I guess it's good trade for them.

But, if they made this trade betting on IT, and avoiding taking the best player, they fucked up IMO.

But I think Josh Jackson is the second best player in this draft. If LA is set on Ball, and they draft JJ, it's still not bad.

I'd trade IT if I'm them though. Regardless who they draft. He's really not that good, and if they're set to pay him max dollar, then they fucked up.

IT is overrated and is not worth a 200 dollar contract. They will live to regret that signing.

 

[godfather]

Man, I hate when unforeseen injuries are used to call guys busts. If Rose had knee issues as a prospect, sure, call him a bust. But he had a clean bill of health, a ROY and MVP before his knees failed him. No way anyone could have seen it coming.

It's the same thing that plagued Sam Bowie, and Greg Oden. Those guys were never as good, I get that.

I don't think he was a bust as a talent at number 1, but his career, and what you project from a number player, also compared to the players that have turned out greater in that draft make him at least a borderline bust.

I was never a big Rose fan, and sure, he's definitely not in the likes of biggest busts of all-time, nor he lacked talent.

But he's 28 years old, and he's virtually untouchable. That's not a great career for a number one pick, you expect to be in their prime by now.

And even though injuries have derailed Rose. I get that, he's not the same athlete he was in his MVP stint and earlier in his career. Where I felt he was the greatest athlete we've seen see at the position.

He's still very explosive, and quicker than I'd say overwhelming most players in the league. Maybe just Wall and Westbrook are clearly more explosive, but his game is still not at an all-star level anymore, despite still having very good speed (he's still faster than Irving for example IMO, he can never stay in front of him) and explosion to play at a high level.

I think that speaks to how much skills he's always lacked in his game. When he can't rely on his next level, all-time explosion, he's just not an elite player.

His career has turn out to be pretty disappointing. I don't think he's the staple of great number one overall picks anyone should be comparing him to.

His career isn't going to be anywhere close to John Wall, or Kyrie Irving, let alone LeBron, Shaq, Duncan, Magic, and Hakeem types.

 

[czvo]

It's the same thing that plagued Sam Bowie, and Greg Oden. Those guys were never as good, I get that.

I don't think he was a bust as a talent at number 1, but his career, and what you project from a number player, also compared to the players that have turned out greater in that draft make him at least a borderline bust.

I was never a big Rose fan, and sure, he's definitely not in the likes of biggest busts of all-time, nor he lacked talent.

But he's 28 years old, and he's virtually untouchable. That's not a great career for a number one pick, you expect to be in their prime by now.

And even though injuries have derailed Rose. I get that, he's not the same athlete he was in his MVP stint and earlier in his career. Where I felt he was the greatest athlete we've seen see at the position.

He's still very explosive, and quicker than I'd say overwhelming most players in the league. Maybe just Wall and Westbrook are clearly more explosive, but his game is still not at an all-star level anymore, despite still having very good speed (he's still faster than Irving for example IMO, he can never stay in front of him) and explosion to play at a high level.

I think that speaks to how much skills he's always lacked in his game. When he can't rely on his next level, all-time explosion, he's just not an elite player.

His career has turn out to be pretty disappointing. I don't think he's the staple of great number one overall picks anyone should be comparing him to.

His career isn't going to be anywhere close to John Wall, or Kyrie Irving, let alone LeBron, Shaq, Duncan, Magic, and Hakeem types.

See, that's where I disagree. It's not the same thing as Oden or Bowie. Both of those guys suffered injuries in college and came into the league with HUGE red flags. Rose had none of those. I think he tapped into his potential, but his knees betrayed him in a manner that was more or less unpredictable.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

"The Philadelphia 76ers and the Sacramento Kings executed a trade in July of 2015 in which the Sixers sent the rights to Arturas Gudaitis (the 47th pick in the 2015 draft) and Luka Mitrovic (60th pick) to the Sacramento Kings for Nik Stauskas, Jason Thompson, Carl Landry, the right (at the Sixers’ discretion) to swap first round picks with the Kings in both 2016 and 2017 drafts, as well as a future 1st round pick."

Look at that. Philly got Stauskus, Thompson, Landry, the right to swap picks in two straight seasons with Sacramento, and then what is ultimately an unprotected 2019 pick. All for Arturas Gudaitis and Luka Mitrovic.

Good god in heaven help me. What a fucking trade.

Man the NBA has to do something about all of the incompetent GMs running around

It's a serious problem.

can someone explain it to me from Sac's point of view? What the hell were they thinking?

 

[MirORich]

Derrick Rose has been a borderline bust. He's only 28 and not even an all-star talent anymore.

I'm talking about the perception at the time they were drafted and their impact in their first 3-4 years in the league. 8' that regard, Rose was very high up there. Now not so much

 

[Snarly]

Man the NBA has to do something about all of the incompetent GMs running around

It's a serious problem.

can someone explain it to me from Sac's point of view? What the hell were they thinking?

They were not.

 

[Snarly]

I'm talking about the perception at the time they were drafted and their impact in their first 3-4 years in the league. 8' that regard, Rose was very high up there. Now not so much

I agree he even against out Cavs post LeBron return in a series hit a few huge shots and everyone thought he was back. Then he could not keep it up and he is where I agree with Rich a little bit. He really used that to make him better than he was, he never adapted to a new style to overcome that. He just kind of gave up but hey I mean he knows himself better than we do so. It is a sad story though as a prime healthy him would have made for some great ECF match ups with Butler.

 

[Rich]

Man the NBA has to do something about all of the incompetent GMs running around

It's a serious problem.

can someone explain it to me from Sac's point of view? What the hell were they thinking?

I'm always bewildered when really bad teams give away picks, no matter how far in the future, that aren't protected to the hilt just to clear salary.

Obviously the Clippers paid the price doing that with us, and it very much appears the Kings are going to pay the price in two years just so they could get some contracts off the books. And what do they have to show for that newfound cap space they got? not a damn thing.

I'm honestly a little surprised Philly didn't put any protection on the pick. Boston maybe doesn't do the trade if they do, and if they fully believe in Fultz then it's worth the risk..but man, the Kings barely have a single NBA body on the entire roster. That's a tough pick to give up just to move up 2 spots to draft a rookie.

I'm not joking when I say that their best player under contract for next season is Aaron Afflalo, and that's if they don't cut him (his contract is non-guaranteed). After that, it's probably Kosta Koufus. That, my friends, is the worst roster in the league.

So they've got one season after next or else Boston is getting another high lottery pick in 2019.

 

[Snarly]

I'm always bewildered when really bad teams give away picks, no matter how far in the future, that aren't protected to the hilt just to clear salary.

Obviously the Clippers paid the price doing that with us, and it very much appears the Kings are going to pay the price in two years just so they could get some contracts off the books. And what do they have to show for that newfound cap space they got? not a damn thing.

I'm honestly a little surprised Philly didn't put any protection on the pick. Boston maybe doesn't do the trade if they do, and if they fully believe in Fultz then it's worth the risk..but man, the Kings barely have a single NBA body on the entire roster. That's a tough pick to give up just to move up 2 spots to draft a rookie.

I'm not joking when I say that their best player under contract for next season is Aaron Afflalo, and that's if they don't cut him (his contract is non-guaranteed). After that, it's probably Kosta Koufus. That, my friends, is the worst roster in the league.

So they've got one season after next or else Boston is getting another high lottery pick in 2019.

Our window Is 2020 so that is okay with me.

 

[Cement]

The Sixers are next powerhouse in the East.

Embiid's injury issues would scare the bejeezus out of me if I were a Philly fan. That could keep them from being that powerhouse. There's no doubt about his talent but if Embiid can't stay on the floor Philly is sort of screwed.

 

[JMcCurry08]

Fultz and Simmons should be an exciting backcourt. Embiid needs to stay healthy though if Philly wants any chance to ever be a contender

Boston needs to cash in on this assets for a superstar

 

[Ohio]

Just go with me here, lets New Orleans isn't good by early February. DeMarcus Cousins isn't signed, and is a free agent next summer.

Now normally I would say Anthony Davis is basically untouchable. But let's also, for the sake of argument, say that both Brooklyn and the Lakers are at the bottom of the league, and here comes Boston, offering me both picks, Jaylen Brown, and whoever they take at number 3 this year.

Yea, I think New Orleans has to listen to that.

Ahh, I thought you meant this Summer. Even a year from now seems early. But in a few years anything will be possible.

 

[Ohio]