Tressel knew of gear scheme last April

[Lee]

So Many are still in denial. Even with a rental car discount, that car was worth 20k+ I just checked the entire nation for a 2010 300c with 20k or less miles (1 year used like this one was) The cheapest one available in the entire nation is $26k. Sure its 3 years later, but come on, brand new a 300 c goes for about $40k. You have to be in pretty big denial to think that there isnt something fishy going on when it sells for less than $14k one year later with 13k miles on it. Oh wait, it was a rental car so it got cut in half of value.

Denial, Denial, Denial.

 

[billmac91]

So Many are still in denial. Even with a rental car discount, that car was worth 20k+ I just checked the entire nation for a 2010 300c with 20k or less miles (1 year used like this one was) The cheapest one available in the entire nation is $26k. Sure its 3 years later, but come on, brand new a 300 c goes for about $40k. You have to be in pretty big denial to think that there isnt something fishy going on when it sells for less than $14k one year later with 13k miles on it. Oh wait, it was a rental car so it got cut in half of value.

Denial, Denial, Denial.

So maybe he did get a deal..I don't know. The report also says 50% of the sales were above book value, and 50% were below. Sounds reasonable...

Again, in the larger picture in regards to tOSU....they have reported more self-violations in the last 10 years than any other program (which is a good thing in terms of compliance). Their star quarterback is selling memorabilia for small amounts of cash and discounted tattoos, instead of getting handouts from boosters.

I'm not sure where I see rampant cheating and a dirty program.

Ohio States compliance department says they've been aware of all of these car deals and everything was vetted out during the process.

I think it's less about denial, and more about people wanting to believe Ohio State is a renegade program when that couldn't be further from the truth.

 

[MattyFos.]

So Many are still in denial. Even with a rental car discount, that car was worth 20k+ I just checked the entire nation for a 2010 300c with 20k or less miles (1 year used like this one was) The cheapest one available in the entire nation is $26k. Sure its 3 years later, but come on, brand new a 300 c goes for about $40k. You have to be in pretty big denial to think that there isnt something fishy going on when it sells for less than $14k one year later with 13k miles on it. Oh wait, it was a rental car so it got cut in half of value.

Denial, Denial, Denial.

Yeah I was thinking the car should have sold closer to 26k rather than 13k. Rental car or not, car salesman are car salesman they will rob you blind for a penny.

 

[Lee]

Yeah I was thinking the car should have sold closer to 26k rather than 13k. Rental car or not, car salesman are car salesman they will rob you blind for a penny.

26k would still be a steal, still. A 40k car one year later with reasonable miles doesnt get a 35% discount normally. Anything under 30k was a good deal on that car. 13k? really. Yeah something is going on there.

 

[Lee]

So maybe he did get a deal..I don't know. The report also says 50% of the sales were above book value, and 50% were below. Sounds reasonable...

Again, in the larger picture in regards to tOSU....they have reported more self-violations in the last 10 years than any other program (which is a good thing in terms of compliance). Their star quarterback is selling memorabilia for small amounts of cash and discounted tattoos, instead of getting handouts from boosters.

I'm not sure where I see rampant cheating and a dirty program.

Ohio States compliance department says they've been aware of all of these car deals and everything was vetted out during the process.

I think it's less about denial, and more about people wanting to believe Ohio State is a renegade program when that couldn't be further from the truth.

Maybe because they have had more violations than any other program in the last 10 years and were forced to report them. And how is OSU not a renegade program. When there is smoke, there is fire.

Denial Denial Denial.

 

[billmac91]

Maybe because they have had more violations than any other program in the last 10 years and were forced to report them. And how is OSU not a renegade program. When there is smoke, there is fire.

Denial Denial Denial.

I don't understand the "forced to report" part...these are self-reported violations.

And Ohio State is such a renegade program that Terrelle Pryor needs to sell his own awards for tattoos....please, man. That makes zero sense. You think TP would give up a Big 10 championship ring if someone just "offered" to give him $500? Tattoo-gate proves Ohio State has a handle on the booster problem that plagued them during the early Troy Smith/late Mo C years. That same booster problem that has seen benefits skyrocket into the hundreds of thousands of dollars in the last few years throughout the country....

What you don't see here is parents receiving homes that cost $500,000. Players and families asking for $180,000. Paying "runners" for verbal commitments. Oversigning every year to the tune of 4 consecutive years of 25+ incoming freshmen.

Under Tressel graduation rates have skyrocketed, the overall GPA of the team is routinely one of the highest in the Big 10, the overall GPA of incoming freshmen football players is one of the highest in the Big 10, and arrests have gone down significantly once Cooper's players were out of the system.

Tressel made a huge mistake in not turning his players in assuming his story about protecting them due to an FBI case is bullshit. To call his team a "renegade" program is not understanding the facts and taking into account all of the great things he has done on and off the football field.

 

[AZ_]

I don't understand the "forced to report" part...these are self-reported violations.

And Ohio State is such a renegade program that Terrelle Pryor needs to sell his own awards for tattoos....please, man. That makes zero sense. You think TP would give up a Big 10 championship ring if someone just "offered" to give him $500? Tattoo-gate proves Ohio State has a handle on the booster problem that plagued them during the early Troy Smith/late Mo C years. That same booster problem that has seen benefits skyrocket into the hundreds of thousands of dollars in the last few years throughout the country....

What you don't see here is parents receiving homes that cost $500,000. Players and families asking for $180,000. Paying "runners" for verbal commitments. Oversigning every year to the tune of 4 consecutive years of 25+ incoming freshmen.

Under Tressel graduation rates have skyrocketed, the overall GPA of the team is routinely one of the highest in the Big 10, the overall GPA of incoming freshmen football players is one of the highest in the Big 10, and arrests have gone down significantly once Cooper's players were out of the system.

Tressel made a huge mistake in not turning his players in assuming his story about protecting them due to an FBI case is bullshit. To call his team a "renegade" program is not understanding the facts and taking into account all of the great things he has done on and off the football field.

This.

 

[col63onel]

Maybe because they have had more violations than any other program in the last 10 years and were forced to report them. And how is OSU not a renegade program. When there is smoke, there is fire.

Denial Denial Denial.

Most violations are minor and basically trivial. Like a booster having a conversation with an athlete at a social function about the weather. These types of violations are impossible to completely eradicate. At a school with as many athletes at OSU, you are going to have more instances like this. Its unavoidable. The fact that they report every single one they can shows how serious they are. Other schools will say, "Meh, these things won't matter...we won't tell anyone".

 

[Chardon]

So Many are still in denial. Even with a rental car discount, that car was worth 20k+ I just checked the entire nation for a 2010 300c with 20k or less miles (1 year used like this one was) The cheapest one available in the entire nation is $26k. Sure its 3 years later, but come on, brand new a 300 c goes for about $40k. You have to be in pretty big denial to think that there isnt something fishy going on when it sells for less than $14k one year later with 13k miles on it. Oh wait, it was a rental car so it got cut in half of value.

Denial, Denial, Denial.

I bought my car brand new in 2007. My Dad and I are good friends with the owners, and i know his son really good. Sticker price was 16200, and he gave it to me for 12,400. He said he didn't make any money off of it, but since my family had bought at least 7 cars from him, he was glad to give me that offer. It is who you know i guess. And you are a Purdue fan, big shock that you are rooting for OSU violations.

 

[DougHeil]

The real issue behind all of this is Tressel lying about everything and to everybody. All these other issues popping up are the result of the one big main issue. If the main issue had already been taken care of... Tressel stepping down, it's almost certain nothing else like this car thing would ever be investigated at this point. Because the bosses of OSU just cannot live without Jim Tressel, they and we will feel the sorrow for years to come. This isn't much about the OSU football program, but much more about all the lying and deceit.

 

[AZ_]

The real issue behind all of this is Tressel lying about everything and to everybody. All these other issues popping up are the result of the one big main issue. If the main issue had already been taken care of... Tressel stepping down, it's almost certain nothing else like this car thing would ever be investigated at this point. Because the bosses of OSU just cannot live without Jim Tressel, they and we will feel the sorrow for years to come. This isn't much about the OSU football program, but much more about all the lying and deceit.

:chuckles:

 

[AZ_]

OSU spokeswoman Shelley Poe re-assigned within the department and will no longer speak on behalf of the football team.

Not a shock, considering the horse abortion of a job they've done since this has all gone down....

 

[AZ_]

Cleveland Plain Dealer article:

COLUMBUS - Ohio State coach Jim Tressel has retained former NCAA Committee on Infractions chairman Gene Marsh to represent him when he appears before that same committee on Aug. 12.


Already suspended five games and fined $250,000 by Ohio State for committing a major NCAA violation by not alerting his bosses or the OSU compliance department about potential violations regarding some of his players selling memorabilia, Tressel appears intent on facing what could be additional sanctions from the committee.


In Marsh, Tressel found someone who understands the process as well as anyone and certainly has a feel for Tressel's status as he faces sanctions. Six weeks ago, Marsh, in his role as an expert on compliance issues, told The Plain Dealer in an interview that he believed Tressel had a chance to survive these NCAA sanctions because of his past record as a coach and in the community. He also believed the underlying violation that Tressel covered up, players selling memorabilia, wasn't as severe as the violations in some other NCAA cases.


Today, Marsh confirmed to the Plain Dealer, as first reported by Yahoo! Sports, that he is representing Tressel. But in a brief phone conversation, Marsh wanted to make it clear that he was not working for Tressel at the time of that interview in early April.


"That was absolutely not a part of my life," Marsh said.


He said he was retained by Tressel a few weeks later, so he has been in place as Tressel's attorney in this matter long before today. Marsh also confirmed that he has represented coaches before the Committee on Infractions in the past.


A 1978 Ohio State graduate who was member of the infractions committee for nine years, and its chairman from 2004 to 2006, Marsh now specializes in NCAA compliance issues with the Alabama law firm of Lightfoot, Franklin & White. He was not friendly with Tressel before and said he has attended one OSU football game in the last 25 years. But he also said today he had spoken at Ohio State compliance seminars in the past, and he does have a relationship with OSU athletic director Gene Smith from their time working on the Committee on Infractions together.


Yahoo! Sports also reported today that Ohio State will be represented at the Aug. 12 hearing by Chuck Smrt, who was a member of the NCAA Enforcement Staff for 17 years.

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/i..._tressel_h.html

 

[Maximus]

I bought my car brand new in 2007. My Dad and I are good friends with the owners, and i know his son really good. Sticker price was 16200, and he gave it to me for 12,400. He said he didn't make any money off of it, but since my family had bought at least 7 cars from him, he was glad to give me that offer. It is who you know i guess. And you are a Purdue fan, big shock that you are rooting for OSU violations.

I don't care if the dealer IS YOUR DAD. Getting a 2007 300C for that price would be ridiculous TODAY, LET ALONE IN 2007!!! Find me a 2007 300C today that I buy for that price....it will be tough to do. Go to www.cars.com, search for a Used Chrysler 300C. The cheapest one I found within 100 miles of me is $16K with 80,000 miles on it. Thad bought a 2007 car with 13K miles on it 4 YEARS AGO for 13K.

It has nothing to do with Lee being a Purdue fan. I'm a huge OSU fan. I'm just being honest with myself...

 

[DougHeil]

Jim Tressel states that he would consider resigning only if he felt he wasn't helping his players anymore.

Huh?

Those players he speaks of are only on the team for a few years. The OSU football program exists long term into the future for an indefinite number of years, and long past Jim Tressel and his players. Why is he totally discounting our actual "program" in making this decision? Doesn't he see the long term ramifications of continuing on like nothing has happened?

Let's say the NCAA says the punishment he has now is enough. Just think what a circus it's going to be on the prime time games and throughout the entire year anyway? Would this be a good thing for the PROGRAM?

That's assuming Tressel is only suspended for five games and NOTHING MORE is done by the NCAA. Does anyone think the NCAA does nothing more on August 12th?