Trump's Presidency

[AZ_]

No it wasn't fake news, which is an egregiously over simplified word that dumbs down conversation and funnels it towards a non beneficial place.. conversation needs to get better than this low bar

BuzFeed published knowingly false information.

Is it fake? No because it's actually a report, even though it's blatantly wrong. This illustrates the problem. It doesn't qualify as fake news. meanwhile red state, whoever they are, posted what was a completely factual story.

Even msm who dubbed the term fake news are walking the term back. Discussion needs to supersede it,the world is more complex than simply "fake news" or "you're a racist for something that literally isn't racist at all", for another random example

Right, facts and removing the context from them can be dangerous.

RedState does this quite often, sensationalizing those facts to lead readers out of context and paint a picture. It is less of a credible outlet than those which have conservatives so on edge in their war with the media.

 

[David.]

Right, facts and removing the context from them can be dangerous.

RedState does this quite often, sensationalizing those facts to lead readers out of context and paint a picture. It is less of a credible outlet than those which have conservatives so on edge in their war with the media.

And they all do and it should stop.

Meanwhile this article was 100% factual.

 

[AZ_]

And they all do and it should stop.

Meanwhile this article was 100% factual.

Ehhh..

Democrats really are the party of collusion, corruption and cover-ups.

Lets also not ignore that Pompeo claims it was "from Obama on down" despite the him not being mentioned once in the article.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I'm done talking about racially charged issues. This board can't discuss it rationally, as displayed by the last 30 pages.

And this thread is enough of a catch all as it is.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Without context that Cotton statement comes off as obviously racist.

Then maybe the point is to check and see if there is any context before deciding someone is a racist.

Because otherwise, what happens is that someone sees that and says "racist". Then that person talks to someone they know, and so on, and so on, until it becomes accepted fact that there is this huge racist in the Senate named Senator Cotton. And then people who know nothing about him other than some vague recollection that he's a known racist build that into their worldview, etc.. Cotton's a racist, people who like him must be racists too....

Only reason that was stopped in this thread was because people who knew better spoke up. But consider all the people who see that who aren't going to bother seeing if there is any other context.

 

[gourimoko]

Then maybe the point is to check and see if there is any context before deciding someone is a racist.

Because otherwise, what happens is that someone sees that and says "racist". Then that person talks to someone they know, and so on, and so on, until it becomes accepted fact that there is this huge racist in the Senate named Senator Cotton. And then people who know nothing about him other than some vague recollection that he's a known racist build that into their worldview, etc.. Cotton's a racist, people who like him must be racists too....

Only reason that was stopped in this thread was because people who knew better spoke up. But consider all the people who see that who aren't going to bother seeing if there is any other context.

I agree with you Q-Tip... how about that?

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I agree with you Q-Tip... how about that?

Heh. And it's often because of things like that on both sides that race relations get worse rather than better.

 

[David.]

Then maybe the point is to check and see if there is any context before deciding someone is a racist.

Because otherwise, what happens is that someone sees that and says "racist". Then that person talks to someone they know, and so on, and so on, until it becomes accepted fact that there is this huge racist in the Senate named Senator Cotton. And then people who know nothing about him other than some vague recollection that he's a known racist build that into their worldview, etc.. Cotton's a racist, people who like him must be racists too....

Only reason that was stopped in this thread was because people who knew better spoke up. But consider all the people who see that who aren't going to bother seeing if there is any other context.

Bingo bango.

 

[The Oi]

Ugh.

@The Human Q-Tip just sent me a PM with a racist joke about the last name Cotton.

Not into it bro.

 

[Huber.]

Ugh.

@The Human Q-Tip just sent me a PM with a racist joke about the last name Cotton.

Not into it bro.

3/35

 

[David.]

Ugh.

@The Human Q-Tip just sent me a PM with a racist joke about the last name Cotton.

Not into it bro.

Shut the fuck up

 

[-Akronite-]

Then maybe the point is to check and see if there is any context before deciding someone is a racist.

Because otherwise, what happens is that someone sees that and says "racist". Then that person talks to someone they know, and so on, and so on, until it becomes accepted fact that there is this huge racist in the Senate named Senator Cotton. And then people who know nothing about him other than some vague recollection that he's a known racist build that into their worldview, etc.. Cotton's a racist, people who like him must be racists too....

Only reason that was stopped in this thread was because people who knew better spoke up. But consider all the people who see that who aren't going to bother seeing if there is any other context.

I agree. At the same time, public officials should be aware of what they are saying and how it may look, ESPECIALLY when dealing Twitter, where you don't have the space to say "hey look at this context that explains my point."

There is too much of an outrage culture that jumps to conclusions, I think it's important to communicate, research, and continue having a dialogue.

EDIT: I'll add in on the Red State thing. I hate sites that tell me how to feel about something, especially in the headline. That's why I rarely give much credence to sites like Slate or Buzzfeed or what have you. Sometimes good reporting can come from these places but even then they want push this worldview narrowing narrative of "TRUST US THIS IS A BOMBSHELL" every time something happens. The fact that a government official links to a site like this (with an editorial headline even if the content was sourced elsewhere) is another piece of dumbing down going on.

 

[David.]

I agree. At the same time, public officials should be aware of what they are saying and how it may look, ESPECIALLY when dealing Twitter, where you don't have the space to say "hey look at this context that explains my point."

There is too much of an outrage culture that jumps to conclusions, I think it's important to communicate, research, and continue having a dialogue.

This stifles a LOT of conversation." Don't bring up anything because people might misinterpret it.."

No, be more informed and less quick to be incited. Out of all the people to blame, the person who is being misunderstood is the last who should be in this scenario. Blame twitter, reporters who know what they're doing, and ppl who jump to obscene conclusions.

 

[gourimoko]

Heh. And it's often because of things like that on both sides that race relations get worse rather than better.

I agree with that too...

We're on a roll...

Care to go for three in a row?

 

[Cavatt]

I agree. At the same time, public officials should be aware of what they are saying and how it may look, ESPECIALLY when dealing Twitter, where you don't have the space to say "hey look at this context that explains my point."

There is too much of an outrage culture that jumps to conclusions, I think it's important to communicate, research, and continue having a dialogue.

EDIT: I'll add in on the Red State thing. I hate sites that tell me how to feel about something, especially in the headline. That's why I rarely give much credence to sites like Slate or Buzzfeed or what have you. Sometimes good reporting can come from these places but even then they want push this worldview narrowing narrative of "TRUST US THIS IS A BOMBSHELL" every time something happens. The fact that a government official links to a site like this (with an editorial headline even if the content was sourced elsewhere) is another piece of dumbing down going on.

I mean Qtip was using this tweet as a trap as he admitted, so it tells you a little about how it can be hard to decipher.