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High deductible insurance didn't come about because of Obama care and a result of that was huge profits for the Health insurance providers as people were more reluctant to seek medical care.

In fact the Insurance industry as a whole did increase their insurance coverage cost dramatically before Obamacare forcing companies to take cheaper plans resulting in employees paying the same amounts for coverage but getting less in return.

Health care coverage for a long time has been a deterrent for people to open up their business or go on their way because the difference for an individual policy and group employer package of a thousand or more was relatively huge.

Young people in good health were reluctant to sign of for health insurance because they mostly did not need it. without their opt in the cost for insurance per insured is higher and Insurance companies see less profits.

That's why Obamacare included an incentive for everyone to optin. it isn't any different than everyone who drives be required to have car insurance.

The goal of every American being insured for health care and having health care insurance providers compete for individuals as opposed to companies should be the goal of every elected member of the senate and congress.

Just a few decades ago Hopistals and clinics were losing money due to unpaid medical bills by the uninsured and under insured.

These hospitals along with other reforms that have taken place are now seeing profits as the amount of unpaid medical bills and uninsured drops.

on the other end. providers not accepting third party insurance was a trend that began with managed insurance programs . These Health care providers were opting out anyways it was just accelerated not introduced by Obamacare.

Typically the providers lose in volume and toal revenue but gain in margins and lower processing cost. some are in the middle reviwing what the insurance will pay before deciding to accept it while others just opt out of insrance claims altogether.


I have no problems with making changes to the current healthcare system as long as the goal is the same.. Universal Health care coverage.

and not one that allows insurance companies to charge more to Smokers, Drinkers or obesity.
 
Just delightful. Good talk, never forget that I never attack you personally in our conversations.

I guess calling me an uneducated simpleton was a compliment...

It's ok keep telling everyone who disagrees with you how stupid they are. I'm sure everyone's lining up to come over to your side where if they disagree with you on anything they're stupid.
 
I guess calling me an uneducated simpleton was a compliment...

It's ok keep telling everyone who disagrees with you how stupid they are. I'm sure everyone's lining up to come over to your side where if they disagree with you on anything they're stupid.

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I guess calling me an uneducated simpleton was a compliment...

It's ok keep telling everyone who disagrees with you how stupid they are. I'm sure everyone's lining up to come over to your side where if they disagree with you on anything they're stupid.

I'm just sounding a little alarm to anyone who follows you down the rabbit holes you are setting up today, not you directly...

...And nobody seems to be responding tonight. Huh.

Again, I tend to stay out of political threads these days. It doesn't mean I am required to sit back when terrible logical fallacies are being spit out rapid fire. But you personally? Nothing but polite to you and your profession bro. Keep at it!
 

Yep, even when I take back what I said on the innauguration numbers and question it I'm wrong. Hard to side with you guys. Probably why you lost over 1,000 state political appointments. Majority of the governors are Republican and Republicans dominate the house, senate and President.

I keep hearing about fascism and I can really only see it coming from your side to be honest. Anyone who disagrees and even people who slightly agree aren't gonna be tolerated.

Which is funny because you're all delving into madness telling us that Trump is gonna randomly start a nuclear war and that he's starving your future children.

If you really honestly believed any of that you'd need every person you could get on your side and you'd capitalize when you made others question things you were bringing up. This reaks more like an attempt to get likes from the usual suspects. You damn sure aren't concerned with changing hearts and minds.
 
That's why Obamacare included an incentive for everyone to optin. it isn't any different than everyone who drives be required to have car insurance.

It's completely different than car insurance. If I don't want to pay car insurance, I don't get a car. If I choose to not get a car, the government does not penalize me for opting to walk.

If someone doesn't want to pay health insurance, what's your solution? Suicide?
 
It's completely different than car insurance. If I don't want to pay car insurance, I don't get a car. If I choose to not get a car, the government does not penalize me for opting to walk.

If someone doesn't want to pay health insurance, what's your solution? Suicide?

If they literally let you die instead of saving your life in an emergency, you could be right. There are many times you can't choose whether you are even treated.

People without health insurance will use something at some point. It will be subsidized in some way, and we will be paying in a transparent way or in a hidden way.
 
If they literally let you die instead of saving your life in an emergency, you could be right. There are many times you can't choose whether you are even treated.

People without health insurance will use something at some point. It will be subsidized in some way, and we will be paying in a transparent way or in a hidden way.

I don't disagree there's a problem at all. But let's not pretend that it's optional or an incentive.

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Adding this in to expand on my point. The Supreme Court ruled that the penalty was in fact a tax protected by the Constitution. So my issue is, it was challenged as a tax, supreme court ruled in favor of the tax being constitutional, calling it a tax even, and we still keep having people using words like optional, incentive, optin. Taxes are optional only if you can not partake in the non-use of whatever product is being taxed. Thus my question, how does one opt-out? You can't, it's a non-optional tax. Call it what it is. Anything short of that just feels dishonest.
 
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I'm just sounding a little alarm to anyone who follows you down the rabbit holes you are setting up today, not you directly...

...And nobody seems to be responding tonight. Huh.

Again, I tend to stay out of political threads these days. It doesn't mean I am required to sit back when terrible logical fallacies are being spit out rapid fire. But you personally? Nothing but polite to you and your profession bro. Keep at it!

It's just a circle jerk at this point.

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Then look at this picture while he was speaking. There are clearly more than what is being portrayed above.

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Again below is what the media are representing.

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Below again is when he was actually speaking.

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Was it more than Obama 2009? Most likely no, but it wasn't nearly as tiny as they tried to portray it using photos from when people were first arriving.
 
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Early returns on the demonstrations today we're 2.5 million, but our president treated an underreporting of a few tens of thousands like an attack on Pearl Harbor, no question and answer period afterward from the Secretary of the Press.

High comedy of it didn't make him look so impotent and useless.
 
You leftys spend all your time attacking anyone that thinks differently than you. You special snowflakes need to get jobs and stop being snobby elitists. I mean even when I kinda sorta backtracked because I was clearly wrong after arguing against obvious evidence you didn't even give me a trophy! No wonder you've become so irrelevant with your 3 million person popular vote win and historically large national protest! WHY WOULD ANYONE SIDE WITH THE PEOPLE THAT JUST CALL THE OTHER SIDE STUPID YOU FUCKING RETARDS?

@Notorious, it's good having this dialogue. Might as well challenge each other, right?
 
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