Tyrese Haliburton: An Upward Trajectory to Superstardom

[PIP]

There has not been a more polarizing non Cavalier than this dude, on this forum, in recent memory… The projections for him are off the charts….He’s a can’t miss future star from what I’m reading.

80% of the board lost their collective minds the other day when he was traded, but not to the Cavs….

I wanna see this transition from ‘decent player to OMFG he’s a generational talent’ in real time….

Cavs get the first chance I believe to see Pacers-Haliburton….

He’s already got a chip on his shoulder cause he was traded and blindsided...

 

[foucault87]

Overrated and underutilized

 

[cavsfever]

It’s easy to see that Tyrese Halliburton is headed for greatness. He does everything you would want a basketball player to do on the court. He shoots the ball. He passes the ball. He makes shots from far away from the basket - he’s never shot less than 40% from 3! But when he needs to he can run toward the basket too. He helps his teammates make baskets — over 7 assists in just his second year! He tries hard on defense. And he’s only 17 years old — what potential!

He’s just such a nice young man. Articulate, deferential, and so tall and handsome! The perfect height for a guard, not too tall and not too short. The kind of young man you would want to see your daughter bring home on a date.

In conclusion, it’s only a matter of time until Tyrese Halliburton becomes one of the best players in the league, and then, one of the greatest in NBA history. The Pacers got a good one! My only regret is that the Cavs couldn’t obtain him for ourselves. What a tasteful addition to our team he would have been!

 

[CBR J.]

Tyrese Halliburton is an exciting young (22 year-old) player. I would have loved seeing the Cavs trade for him. He has a truly positive and mature attitude that quickly made him a fan favourite in Sacramento and would be a welcomed addition in any NBA franchise’s locker room. Having said that, labelling his trade as a “Kings move” is flat out lazy.

In the trade with Indi Sac acquired a 25 year-old, two-times all star, who is on a favourable contract for another two and a half years, and who also possesses a positive attitude. You don’t normally get this kind of an asset without giving something good in return! If I had to guess, Sac probably offered Fox first, but Fox’s value has declined this year and his contract doesn’t look great right now. Who knows, Fox might find his mojo back playing next to Sabonis. It is also worth noting that Sac didn’t sacrifice draft picks in this trade.

Will Tyrese become a HOFer? Only time will tell. Sac decided to go down the “win now” path, and trading Tyrese was undoubtedly a difficult but necessary decision. After all, their playoff drought is unprecedented (16 years and counting!).

We will soon find out if McNair made the right call, while we observe how Tyrese’s professional career progresses in Indiana. He is a great person and player, so I wish him nothing but the best!

 

[PIP]

I know he was in Sacramento with a loaded backcourt… Gonna be interesting to see what he does without looking over his shoulder at another drafted guard.. Can see a beast unleashed…

That trade has fueled him….

 

[RchfldCavRaised]

There has not been a more polarizing non Cavalier than this dude, on this forum, in recent memory… The projections for him are off the charts….He’s a can’t miss future star from what I’m reading.

80% of the board lost their collective minds the other day when he was traded, but not to the Cavs….

I wanna see this transition from ‘decent player to OMFG he’s a generational talent’ in real time….

Cavs get the first chance I believe to see Pacers-Haliburton….

He’s already got a chip on his shoulder cause he was traded and blindsided...

I mean...

I don't hate his game, but I wouldn't want to watch him for 82. He's more quirky than winning substance as a guard.

I first read about him here on the draft forum, so around the holidays I was peeking at post game highlights and watching his boxscores. When I finally sat down to intentionally watch him I couldn't get through the game. It was Iowa State and Kansas and I was frustrated at how easily he allowed himself to be taken out of the game. Gave him another shot against Baylor and he pissed his leg again. I thought he'd be more fish out of water after seeing him shrink in those two games. He exceeded that, he belongs for sure, but to me his "not a point guard" projection persists.

He makes up his mind what he's going to do (score or pass) before the ball finds him and then he relies on unorthodox and quirky improv to accomplish his predetermined objective. With Lonzo, you feel he's a selfless student of the game who just wants to help his team win, with Halliburton he wants to make the right play but you don't feel like he has the BBall IQ to assess what's needed if the defense dictates he needs to adjust, in order to be a winner. I will say this, he hit the jackpot with Carlisle who will call every play on every possession which is not in transition. Will Carlisle like his unorthodox and quirky approach to creating and scoring?

I think some people here fell in love with his game and ideal fit next to two 6'1 guards and I get that. He vascillates between a score first big guard when he decides he wants to score, and a pass first selfless big guard, so he potentially could have been a bridge between pass first DG and score first, second and last Sexton but I think all 3 of them would have been sold short if paired together.

My closest NBA comp for him is this guy...



I liked his game enough but had the same concern/feeling of him coming out of Villanova. He wasn't a point guard in his brain but also wasn't a fearsome "killer" scorer because of his 6'5 170 build. More of a Swiss army knife multifaceted guard who could compliment a real floor general very well. Both are super slight of frame, lanky and injury prone. Halliburton was actually helped developmentally as a playmaker by playing next to Fox who isn't a point guard either, whereas Kittles was limited as a playmaker playing next to Kidd who's the ultimate floor general, but their builds and tweener approaches to the game is similar to me. Kittles has a little more bounce too.

I'll keep Okoro and bank on him being a game changing perimeter defender over Halliburton, still

 

[PIP]

Great comparison @RchfldCavRaised.

I think at best (for modern comparison) this guy maxes out as another SGA type of player…

I don’t see another level he can really get to with the kinda game he has…But I’m willing to wait and see of course. Just wanna monitor his game a little more since this was a guy a big chunk of this board coveted and saw potential in…

 

[foucault87]

Agree with Rch on Hali. He is almost the quintessential 3rd guy on a championship team. Highly efficient offensive player, low mistakes, moves the ball very well, solid but not outstanding defender, great shooter. But he is super thin. Not sure that he can body up against some of the larger guards (Okoro!, Lowry's butt etc), let alone wings. I also have concerns about how much his offense can scale up. Time will tell, but I expect him to struggle in the role LeVert just had with Indy...even adjusting for the garbage supporting case. I really don't see him as a player than can maintain his stellar efficiency at a 25% USG or higher.

Ironically, a lot of the above also applies to his backcourt mate in Indy in Brogdon. If they are able to get that scorer out of the draft this year (Smith?), then I think they could be a fearsome contender for the 3rd spot in the Central division in a few years

 

[PIP]

Nice game…. He’s no Jerry West…

 

[Cavatt]

He amazing

 

[Jscc]

Him and Duarte are going to be a great core for Indy to build around. Get a young skilled big to grow with them and they can start building around them via fit instead of best player available additions.

 

[Lee]

I mean...

I don't hate his game, but I wouldn't want to watch him for 82. He's more quirky than winning substance as a guard.

I first read about him here on the draft forum, so around the holidays I was peeking at post game highlights and watching his boxscores. When I finally sat down to intentionally watch him I couldn't get through the game. It was Iowa State and Kansas and I was frustrated at how easily he allowed himself to be taken out of the game. Gave him another shot against Baylor and he pissed his leg again. I thought he'd be more fish out of water after seeing him shrink in those two games. He exceeded that, he belongs for sure, but to me his "not a point guard" projection persists.

He makes up his mind what he's going to do (score or pass) before the ball finds him and then he relies on unorthodox and quirky improv to accomplish his predetermined objective. With Lonzo, you feel he's a selfless student of the game who just wants to help his team win, with Halliburton he wants to make the right play but you don't feel like he has the BBall IQ to assess what's needed if the defense dictates he needs to adjust, in order to be a winner. I will say this, he hit the jackpot with Carlisle who will call every play on every possession which is not in transition. Will Carlisle like his unorthodox and quirky approach to creating and scoring?

I think some people here fell in love with his game and ideal fit next to two 6'1 guards and I get that. He vascillates between a score first big guard when he decides he wants to score, and a pass first selfless big guard, so he potentially could have been a bridge between pass first DG and score first, second and last Sexton but I think all 3 of them would have been sold short if paired together.

My closest NBA comp for him is this guy...

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I liked his game enough but had the same concern/feeling of him coming out of Villanova. He wasn't a point guard in his brain but also wasn't a fearsome "killer" scorer because of his 6'5 170 build. More of a Swiss army knife multifaceted guard who could compliment a real floor general very well. Both are super slight of frame, lanky and injury prone. Halliburton was actually helped developmentally as a playmaker by playing next to Fox who isn't a point guard either, whereas Kittles was limited as a playmaker playing next to Kidd who's the ultimate floor general, but their builds and tweener approaches to the game is similar to me. Kittles has a little more bounce too.

I'll keep Okoro and bank on him being a game changing perimeter defender over Halliburton, still

I think you are selling Tyrese short with the Kittles comp. I think Hali will be a very good player, maybe an all star, but I can see why he isnt a PG. But he has the shooting and length of a SG and i think he can become a very good one. I see why you dont like him as a PG. He lacks creativity if that makes sense. He makes the right pass, makes smart plays but he doesnt pass people open, he doesnt lead people, anticipate at a PG level. Thats ok, 50% of the PG's in the NBA dont, its what you hated about Sexton as a PG.

Thing is he is a very good shooter and has the body to play SG at the NBA. He will get better, and hopefully they dont try to force him as a point just because he can pass. We saw from LeVert tonight he isnt a pg eithing, good thing we traded for LeVert to pair him with a certain all star PG we already have.

 

[ChicagoCavFan]

Very nice game but I could not watch that ugly ass form for 82+ a year.

 

[Rich]

Very nice game but I could not watch that ugly ass form for 82+ a year.

I mean if the Cavs drafted him you most certainly could lol.


I disagree with the takes that he's not a point guard. He's gonna thrive without Fox taking the ball out of his hands.

Watching that game last night, he has more natural PG skills than Fox does at this point. Hope Brodgon stays out for a while so he can grow into that role.

Frankly, I think he needs to be more selfish late in games than he is. He'll grow into that like Garland did this year now that Fox isn't on the court with him.

I'll be interested to revisit this one later.

@RchfldCavRaised and I have disagreed on a few players. Most notably Garland and Bennett.


I feel good about this one.

 

[tkpbrowns]

Very nice game but I could not watch that ugly ass form for 82+ a year.

Yeah his form on shooting is atrrocious. He hits, but it is an ugly looking shot.