Tyronn Lue has been fired

[wuck]

Well, you can't say that Lue hasn't changed the defensive schemes during the playoffs. What they're doing to George evokes some of the schemes the Celtics used against LeBron, though the current Cavs are definitely not at that level and the old Celtics didn't sell out that resolutely. I don't remember the last time the Cavs adjusted their defense that much to deal with a single player -- and he still has had huge games.

Interesting thing tonight was that Shump's solid one-on-one play against George might allow the Cavs to save some of the gimmicks and schemes for special moments in the game, as they did in Game 1.

 

[ACisKING]

Lue actually coached well today, but people are too dug in on their opinions of him to notice. He had multiple beautiful after timeout plays, including ones that led to uncontested layups by Korver and Irving at critical junctures. He didn't overplay Frye and rode Shumpert after he had a great third quarter. The Cavs featured Love in the second half, which is something a lot of people here were calling for. The strategy of trapping George up high took the Pacers out of rhythm for long stretches of the game (though I think the Cavs might have overdone it a little). On the other end, the Cavs ran some beautiful sets: backscreens for cutters, Deron-Love pick and rolls, simultaneous pin downs for Korver and Frye, Lebron-Korver pick and rolls, etc. I don't see how Lue can be blamed for the Cavs guards not trying on defense for the entire first half and LeBron straight up handing the ball to the opponents time and time again (and then not running back on defense).

 

[Rich]

If we win 4 close games, but the series is short, he looks like a genius for never putting LeBron on George.

If it goes long because of it, he looks like a goof. Its one of those moves that is only good if it works.

Ballsy.

 

[godfather]

I think benching Shump was his best move he's made in a long time. Shump is one of those guys you must keep his feet to the fire, because quite evidently he doesn't give a shit at times.

And I still want his ass gone after the season. I'm not going to use one game to say "hey we should keep him!".

But benching him, woke him up, and lit a temporary fuse under him. Will it stay is the question though. Or at least for how long will it.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

Lues after time out plays have gone unnoticed all year long by many . He has one of the best conversion rates and one of the best points per possession after a timeout rates in the league. The Korver and Kyrie shots tonight we're just two more great examples and they were both in huge moments of the game.

The half-court defensive numbers continue to be much better and much closer to what we need than the transition numbers. Transition wasn't even a problem until the turnovers started piling up.

Played a great defensive third quarter. Fourth quarter wasn't that great but the offense was so bad for stretches that it hurt the defense quite a bit.

Shumpert changed things big time defensively because he was nothing short of amazing on George all night. Gotta give Lue credit for getting to Shump, at least for tonight.

Main criticism....LeBron cannot be playing 11 minutes in the third then starting the fourth in blowouts in the first round. It's unnecessary..

Last year LeBron would sit the last 3-4 of the third and then start the fourth. That would be fine with me. Or sit them first 3-4 of the fourth. Or for the last 1.5-2 of the third and the first 1.5-2 of the fourth.

More than one minute before sending him out there to hold a big lead. Kyrie easily could have dribbled the ball for 22 seconds and shot a three-month probably would have done better at it. If it's close, fine, he will give full effort, but if he's gonna be lazy , better to get the few minutes rest anyways.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

If we win 4 close games, but the series is short, he looks like a genius for never putting LeBron on George.

If it goes long because of it, he looks like a good. Its one of those moves that is only good if it works.

Ballsy.

He might have been forced to go that direction if not for Shumpert suddenly coming alive.

Will be interesting to see how Shump comes out in game 3 and what Lue will do if tonight ends up being a mirage for Shumperts D.

I do expect Shump to start game 3. If JRs hammy was bad enough to sit him down mid game.

 

[godfather]

He might have been forced to go that direction if not for Shumpert suddenly coming alive.

Will be interesting to see how Shump comes out in game 3 and what Lue will do if tonight ends up being a mirage for Shumperts D.

I do expect Shump to start game 3. If JRs hammy was bad enough to sit him down mid game.

I was going to say, maybe the only silver lining if JR isn't good to go. Shump can definitely guard Paul. And it saves LB the trouble.

JR clearly couldn't, at all...

Overall, yeah, I think Lue was fine tonight. Even though he still has some infamous Lue moments. LB taking the T for him was one of them.

When you see your star player chirping with the refs for another player, that means get your ass off your seat and take the T before he gets one.

 

[kookoo]

Maybe or maybe not - but what does it matter anyway? I know he can coach a team with LeBron and Kyrie to an NBA championship. How do I know that? Because he actually did that just last season. And last I checked this team still has LeBron and Kyrie...

Yeah, but it also has a lot of other guys. Key is to keep leads not drive our superstars into the ground. You'd have to be blind if you look at the way our team plays and think it's going perfectly. If he thinks LeBron shooting freethrows at 67% is pretty good, dude is 100% coasting on the fact that he won a championship. The goal is to keep LeBron around as long as possible, and if our very talented team needs them game in and game out to squeak by the Pacers... Fuck, we're in trouble. You seem to be fine with mediocrity and a single championship but so much needs to change coaching wise if they want to win a championship against San Antonio or Golden State. That time management at the end was awful. Every commentator has positioned us as the team that gives away big leads in the 4th. Are you happy with that? Yes, a part of it is the players, but a big reason we won today was Shump. His energy in the 3rd was huge, and he only got to play because Smith got injured. The blind squirrel found a nut... We have LeBron and Kyrie, but we want to keep them healthy and Lue is driving them into the ground.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

I was going to say, maybe the only silver lining if JR isn't good to go. Shump can definitely guard Paul. And it saves LB the trouble.

JR clearly couldn't, at all...

Overall, yeah, I think Lue was fine tonight. Even though he still has some infamous Lue moments. LB taking the T for him was one of them.

When you see your star player chirping with the refs for another player, that means get your ass off your seat and take the T before he gets one.

I've given up on Lue and the refs. You'd think coming from the Doc Rivers tree, he'd be way more prone to being on the refs' ass all game..

He's more like Phil Jackson with the refs, but Phil literally would be working the refs over the entire game, relentlessly, just in a calm, smooth, "zen" fashion. Lue doesn't do nearly enough of that. He just ignores the refs for the most part. By far one of the most frustrating things about him for me. But I do still like Lue in general.

 

[czvo]

I've given up on Lue and the refs. You'd think coming from the Doc Rivers tree, he'd be way more prone to being on the refs' ass all game..

He's more like Phil Jackson with the refs, but Phil literally would be working the refs over the entire game, relentlessly, just in a calm, smooth, "zen" fashion. Lue doesn't do nearly enough of that. He just ignores the refs for the most part. By far one of the most frustrating things about him for me. But I do still like Lue in general.

Lue saved his ref card for the finals, if I remember correctly (though he may have responded to SVG/Drummond's foul on an off day after game 3). I think he's right to play it close to the vest right now. You can only swing the refs so many times before the bitching gets tuned out.

 

[Chris Parker]

Lue actually replayed it after G4 after Casey made the Fine-drawing complaint about Cavs in Game 2 and got his payback at home in Game 3

 

[Cassity14]

My only concern with Lue tonight, and in game 1, is that he continues to rely on LeBron playing the entire fourth quarter. At about the 3 minute mark in both games, LeBron has looked awfully gassed out there in my eyes.

That's the type of thing that loses a tight game in later rounds.

 

[Benedict_Boozer]

My only concern with Lue tonight, and in game 1, is that he continues to rely on LeBron playing the entire fourth quarter. At about the 3 minute mark in both games, LeBron has looked awfully gassed out there in my eyes.

That's the type of thing that loses a tight game in later rounds.

Today it was especially bad because we were up like 20 going into the 4th and he played Lebron all but one minute I think in the 3rd. And then like clockwork he has LBJ out there again to start the 4th.

You knew immediately at that point he was likely to play the entire 4th because once the Pacers made a run, he was never coming out.

If Lue isn't comfortable sitting him up 20, even for a few mins, he is never going to change it. Lue rides Lebron like no coach I've ever seen before.


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[MirORich]

I don't mind LeBron playing the big minutes because I think his body is uniquely suited for it.

But I do think it actually has a stifling effect on the team as a whole. I would like to see Lue have the flexibility to keep LeBron out for the first 1-3 minutes of the 2nd and 4th quarters WHEN the final two minutes of the first and third have featured the non LeBron units maintaining or extending the lead.

Let Deron be the true PG he has been his whole career for a 4-6 minute stretch as long as it's working. Let Love be the focus of the second unit for a 4-6 minute stretch as long as it's working.

But I undertand and acknowledge that he is bound to a degree by LeBrons power and wishes as a player.

 

[PedroFlu]

My only concern with Lue tonight, and in game 1, is that he continues to rely on LeBron playing the entire fourth quarter. At about the 3 minute mark in both games, LeBron has looked awfully gassed out there in my eyes.

That's the type of thing that loses a tight game in later rounds.

Yes. Love and LeBron were gassed from the 6th or 7h minute of the last quarter. The drop in production was 100% fatigue in the end. You just knew at the half of the 4th quarter that they would have a hard time keeping the lead.

Lue had a horrible minute management on the 2nd half (actually didn't manage anything), after doing a good job on the 1st.

I mean, LeBron is already averaging 42.5 mins in the playoffs. 2nd highest. This is obviously not right.