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[Gson]

He has 1400 innings at 3B, almost 500 at 1B, 90 at 2B and 79 at catcher... His BB and SO are solid though... I wouldn't trade him for Bradley...

There are some serious doubts about whether trading Bradley will bring back a useable BP arm, imho. It shouldn't be a stretch to see the A's take a flyer on a guy with power at a corner spot.. Maybe they can fix Bradley.. Cleveland hasn't been able to..

By the BTV site.. Bradley is worth 2 1/2 times Bride.. It would not be much of a stretch to see a one for one deal.....based on what we all have seen with Bradley..

Edit.. the Guardians can throw Logan S Allen into the deal.. gratis...

 

[petes999]

Here is they key thing ... finding best 26 players for 40 man roster spots, because

1) We are competing at deadline and need best 26
2) We are out of it and need to find which 26 will be our future.

In all this, we also need to clear 2 roster spots for both 26 on May 2 and on 40 by early/mid June (6 or so weeks) .... and if people want Santos up as 1 of 8 relievers that is 3 from both 26 and 40. The pool of cut candidates is limited

Cut from 40 and 26

Allen Sr (but upside if he gets his FB command after 3 yrs trying is highest)
Castro (we got him for Zimmer - that is the value - but easiest to pass through waiver probably)
Chang
Bradley

Cut from 26 but keep on 40 (for May only)

Morgan
Castro (can ship him to AAA and see what he does before Morris/Vargas are ready)


Now, other than Morgan, will anyone of this group be with us next year? Slim chance at best - Castro being best. Allen gives you best upside trade value if he ever clicks which clock is about to run out.

Yet, in the end, will the value we get back be worth keeping a Santos, Battenfield or Miko down (over Allen/Castro) if we are competitive or just want to start mlb transition? Will both Chang and Bradley be around at trade deadline if either (just one of) Arias, Jones, Freeman, Palacios (and okay Oscar or Fermin) are knocking the cover off the ball?

Even though I started this, it is really just a matter who is kicked off last this season.

 

[petes999]

By the BTV site.. Bradley is worth 2 1/2 times Bride.. It would not be much of a stretch to see a one for one deal.....based on what we all have seen with Bradley..

Edit.. the Guardians can throw Logan S Allen into the deal.. gratis...

Okay, GSon, you get Bride who is on 40 man, I assume he goes to triple AAA. I assume you also just cut Allen in this trade or other move to get to 26.

Now come June, you got 1 more 40 man cut needed (unless another serious inj) - Choose from
Bride
Castro (you cut him, Santos needs to be added, so cut a 2nd player again)
Chang (who gets 13th bench spot - maybe Bride?)

Now, Nov 1, who does Bride beat out for 40 man slot
Brennan, Rodriquez, Miko, ...... (my bubble guys) but you get the point

Like idea but if we get anything for any of them it’s for a rookie/DSL type flyer. And, at this point, what does he get you over a Fermin or even Marcos G —- few games at catcher —- none of whom will be on our 40 man come Nov 1 unless lights out as our 13th utility guy (and even then just maybe).

 

[sportscoach]

The BTV site is a joke. Why anybody puts stock in it is beyond me, but I'm sure somebody will defend it...lol.

Well, defend this...

According the BTV, Bradley with no options has more value than Clement, Naylor, and Miller.

My hope is that some GM is dumb enough to use it as a point of reference, because Bradley is worth the same as Juan Yepez, and a lot more than Taylor Ward.

Please, please, please...

I use it as a quick reference if I am trying to plan a trade, but yeah, some of the values are very very off... I hope we can get something worth 4 in a trade value since thats a FV 45 area prospect... or an above average bullpen arm etc...

 

[CDAV45]

I use it as a quick reference if I am trying to plan a trade, but yeah, some of the values are very very off... I hope we can get something worth 4 in a trade value since thats a FV 45 area prospect... or an above average bullpen arm etc...

It's something different for us fans to use and it is historically pretty accurate. That doesn't mean it should be referred to as a "dead nuts" value reference because it's not. It sure as hell isn't used by teams as a reference and it's a work in progress. I would expect it to get better as time passes. What I find absolutely hilarious is that CATS calls it a joke and the site's biggest influence is the same data base that he constantly refers to. You can't make this shit up.

 

[Gson]

Okay, GSon, you get Bride who is on 40 man, I assume he goes to triple AAA. I assume you also just cut Allen in this trade or other move to get to 26.

Now come June, you got 1 more 40 man cut needed (unless another serious inj) - Choose from
Bride
Castro (you cut him, Santos needs to be added, so cut a 2nd player again)
Chang (who gets 13th bench spot - maybe Bride?)

Now, Nov 1, who does Bride beat out for 40 man slot
Brennan, Rodriquez, Miko, ...... (my bubble guys) but you get the point

Like idea but if we get anything for any of them it’s for a rookie/DSL type flyer. And, at this point, what does he get you over a Fermin or even Marcos G —- few games at catcher —- none of whom will be on our 40 man come Nov 1 unless lights out as our 13th utility guy (and even then just maybe).

The example given.. has two guys (Bradley and Allen) coming off the 40 man while adding one back.. That's the very definition of what you're claiming needs to be done.. no?..

 

[petes999]

The example given.. has two guys (Bradley and Allen) coming off the 40 man while adding one back.. That's the very definition of what you're claiming needs to be done.. no?..

Yes, but my point was you need 2 overall cuts ... 2 for 1 nets -1. You got 1 more to go.

So what does a AA utility guy gets who needs 40 man protection and probably not here at year end get us? Having been promoted to AA for cup of coffee at end of 2019 and in AA for 90 games last year, I don’t doubt he is destroying AA pitching this year. Would Palacios, Arias, Freeman not be doing the same in AA, or even Chang (who is just 1/2 year older) not be doing the same in AAA? So, would he replace Chang as 13 position man as Chang is next to go for 2nd 40 man space needed in June (especially if Santos gets added over Castro)?

And, if we look just a few months further, all 4 are cut for our other prospects. Even Mercado will be sayonara by year end (unless total transformation). Would you keep this utility guy over a Brennan? I wouldn’t ...

 

[CATS44]

The example given.. has two guys (Bradley and Allen) coming off the 40 man while adding one back.. That's the very definition of what you're claiming needs to be done.. no?..

I dont use BTV as any kind of data base. The few times I have mentioned is when discussing somebody else's trade proposal off of that site.

And, yes, you do make it up...lol.

 

[CATS44]

IMI Bradley has zero value now and no upside. Chang is a dime a dozen util guy with almost no value and little upside. Allen is a LH starter/reliever that has a bit of upside. LH pitchers always have some value. The problem with all three is that they have no options. This effects Allen the most, because he has more value and upside.

Roster wise, the problem is that because of the need to protect so many position prospects (esp MIFs), what we have in Cleveland is basically what we have now.

 

[CDAV45]

I dont use BTV as any kind of data base. The few times I have mentioned is when discussing somebody else's trade proposal off of that site.

And, yes, you do make it up...lol.

Of course you don't, but the largest source of information that influences BTV's values is Fangraphs and you love yourself some FG.

 

[CATS44]

I doubt highly that you can find any kind of data on fangraphs that says that Bradley is worth the same as Yepez or four times the value of Ward...but go ahead, make believe.

 

[KluberSociety]

I think the -0.5 WAR really demonstrates his value.

 

[CATS44]

Adding Oviedo is a surprise to me...and makes things even less clear.

40 players on the 40 man plus two Covids and two 60 day IL.

We can't keep Chang and Castro on the Covid list forever.

If the FO sees real value in all the pitchers presently on the roster, it has to be looking to move Bradley and Chang.

 

[petes999]

Adding Oviedo is a surprise to me...and makes things even less clear.

40 players on the 40 man plus two Covids and two 60 day IL.

We can't keep Chang and Castro on the Covid list forever.

If the FO sees real value in all the pitchers presently on the roster, it has to be looking to move Bradley and Chang.

Yet, also remember, this’s typical Guardian move. Don’t be surprised if they keep him for few days, then defer him, hoping he passes through this time.

 

[CDAV45]

Yet, also remember, this’s typical Guardian move. Don’t be surprised if they keep him for few days, then defer him, hoping he passes through this time.

And that will probably happen.