Welcome 8th Pick from Brooklyn

[TyGuy]

Sometimes we pose questions in an open ended manner, not yet advocating or completely filling out the proposal.

In the Kings/WCS question, it was laid out with several caveats:

1. The pick was 8 or lower

2. One scenario included the dumping of TT with would relieve the Cavs of up to 80-90M in salary plus luxury tax next year. Do we know if that’s a huge priority to Dan yet? No. But if it is, than it open up a lot of things we might not consider otherwise

3. IRT to WCS defense, how much of that is skewed due to being young and being in the Kings. Hill’s defense was awful this year on the Kings. But then Hill does have a past history of good defense whereas WCS doesn’t. What we do know is that WCS is mobile and laterally quick and can alter shots.

In any event, that post wasn’t meant as a strong endorsement or advocating of trading our pick if it fell to 8 or 9 for WCS, just more using him as an example of if it did fall there, is there a way we can potentially improve our rim protection and also move off TT’s contract?

Willie doesn't rebound that well either, and he's not much of a shot blocker. He doesn't eve come close to using his physical gifts to its maximum potential.

 

[Nathan S]

He is not even close to being worth the Nets pick though so it's kind of a moot discussion right?

Lebron doesn't want a ball dominant pg.

This is not what this stat means... it's not about iso scoring or shooting off the dribble. It's when he spots up and has to take 1 dribble (IE:When defenders run him off the 3pt line or he just rather attack the paint/take a mid range/decide to pass... it's all about PPP when he has to take 1 dribble in spot up situations). So yeah, it kinda matters...



Always as in since this year? How is he an above average shooter? Anyways, he does some things very very well, and some things not so well.

Defensively, he is an average defender at best, leaning towards below average, atleast on Brooklyn that is.

He is quite a bit different than George Hill... I don't see it at all.

What makes you say he's average/below average defensively? Granted, Russell is *so* bad defensively that maybe he just makes Dinwiddie look good in comparison

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

What makes you say he's average/below average defensively? Granted, Russell is *so* bad defensively that maybe he just makes Dinwiddie look good in comparison

Checked his all plays on the defensive end on synergy over 3 year span and they are all consistently average to below average. On overall he is in the 33 Percentile on overall defence. For comparison Kyrie was in the 44 Percentile in 2014-2015 and in the 17 Percentile in 2016-2017(The Lue effect)... Under Stevens Kyrie is in the 52 Percentile.

In the times I watched Dinwiddie play nothing stuck to me as far as him being a below average defender, but I just didn't focus on it, so I don't know. I mean, he looks athletic and hustles, s it automatically makes you think he is above average on that end.

And yet, you still need to take these stats with a grain of salt whenever PGs are concerned as they are dependant on the overall defensive scheme and the defensive ability of the front court players.

 

[gourimoko]

I think LeBron should and will sign a long-term deal now:
- Most of the players on this team are young and on multi-year contracts
- Cavs have the Brooklyn pick.
Both gives the Cavs plenty of flexibility going forward to make roster moves or grow from within;

At the same time Lebron is getting older (even you don't see it) so why not taking the designated max for 4-5 years to be set until you're 38. He's one injury away for throwing away a LOT of money.

That being said, I have to shake Koby's hand for doing the moves he made without giving up the BKN pick...

In regards to the cap, they MUST move Thompson this summer so they can resign Hood.

LeBron only mitigates risk by signing long-term this year; but he doesn't lose money with one final 1+1; so my guess is, he'll likely go that route one last time. Next year however, it's assured that he'll sign a 4-year contract.

So keep in mind, excluding the injury risk, a 1+4 and a 5Y contract make LeBron the same amount of money over the same 5 years; however, with the first option, he gets one more round of free agency in his 34th year - again, at the cost of the risk.

 

[iWx]

Found a player we can trade that Nets pick for....

View: https://twitter.com/MyNBAUpdate/status/964547927304585217

 

[Muffinalt]

Random but a few draft questions just popped into my head after another twenty minutes wasted playing the lotto simulator on Tankathon.com

1. Would Memphis pass on Ayton and Bamba in favor of Porter, JJJ, Bagley, or even Young/Bridges because they have Marc Gasol, who the owner has said will retire a Grizz and will never be traded?

2. Would Orlando or Phoenix, if they’ve already missed out on Doncic and Ayton, be the two teams ahead currently of us that might select Trae Young( as long as he rights the ship a bit)? ORL has no PG and the Suns might drool at the idea of pairing up Young and Bookers shooting range.

3. If SAC selects one of Ayton, Bamba, or JJJ, would we be wise to try and acquire Willy Cauley-Stein in a trade?

Say we drop to 8 and all of Doncic, Ayton, Bamba, Jackson, Porter, and Bagley are already selected. Would you offer that pick and a TT salary dump for WCS? Or just the 8th pick/Korver for WCS and Garrett Temple(younger more versatile player and also an expiring with one less year on his deal than Korver, which could come in handy at the trade deadline.

We re super lucky to be in a position where even if our pick falls to 7-8 there is a Mikal Bridges waiting for us who can be immediate help against gsw (not to mention maybe Cartel, the other Bridges or anyone of the like impresses in workouts). I wouldn't trade the pick for a was type or a package only someone surefire.

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[FrontPageNews]

Found a player we can trade that Nets pick for....

View: https://twitter.com/MyNBAUpdate/status/964547927304585217

I’d rather keep the PG who plays defense.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

We re super lucky to be in a position where even if our pick falls to 7-8 there is a Mikal Bridges waiting for us who can be immediate help against gsw (not to mention maybe Cartel, the other Bridges or anyone of the like impresses in workouts). I wouldn't trade the pick for a was type or a package only someone surefire.

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Exactly. There have been a lot of very useful players in the draft outside the top 7 or so, and discounting the pick too much just because we wouldn't be in the top half of the lottery would be a mistake. Heck, people are lusting after Steven Adams, and he was picked 12th. Donovan Mitchell has a good shot at ROY, and he was drafted 13th. Plus, it's now Koby running the show, and he's apparently the reason we have Cedi.

Let's give him some draft picks to work with, and see how he does. Unless it's a really good deal that both brings back a good player, and gets rid of a bad salary.

 

[Heej]

Dinwiddie is trash lol he shoots like 40% from the field. He just looks like Godwiddie to us because we have the Nets pick lol

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

Y'all are trippin if you think Dan is repeatedly going to pay $300 mil per year for this team..... @InBoobieWeTrust do you think it's something he would do?

I actually do think Dan would pay it for at least one year if we got a commitment from
LeBron. I think Korver may end up being the tax casualty...as he wouldn’t cost a crazy asset to dump into cap space and could save us 35 million in cash by himself. Still leaves a high amount though.

Dan as well as his family have a real emotional and financial connection to the city and team that shows in his willingness to spend to keep the product great/—which it will if Bron stays. He promised Bron the tax wouldn’t be a problem and I believe he reaffirmed that with him letting Koby make the moves he did. They didn’t go and get Hood without being confident they’ll resign him. He’s also worth 6 fuckin billion dollars.

Everyone predicting Tristan gets moved in to cap space is way off base. The cavs can’t trade another future first until 2022. Tristan is making 17.5 million next year. There is a massive shortage of cap space. There is no moving off of Tristan’s money into cap space. For other contracts/players. Sure. For cap space this summer? Not happening. Especially if LBJ stays...they are not salary dumping a Klutch client for cap room and luxury tax savings. Just not in the cards, lol.

Hill only has 1m guaranteed in summer of 2019 , JR only 3.8. Korver only 3.4 if he’s not already gone this summer.. Love will be a free agent, Nance will be restricted. TT will be an expiring contract. As will Clarkson. Lots of money can be shifted around.

So I could see Dan pay an obscene amount of money this year, I could see him add a max guy via trade and consolidate the depth some...I could see a lot of different things happen. ...Mainly because it’s not exactly a commitment beyond this year. I think the Cavs best opportunity to get under the tax apron to reset the repeater tax-years will be in the summer of 2019. Or maybe Dan says fuck it and bathes in the luxury tax until LBJ no longer gives you a shot at the title yearly. I mean...Dan knows he’s not gonna pay a dime of luxury tax for a long time once this run ends...


I think anyone pretending that they know for a fact that Dan won’t pay it, after what we have seen him do all these years as well as at the deadline, is full of it.

 

[Cavatt]

I actually do think Dan would pay it for at least one year if we got a commitment from
LeBron. I think Korver may end up being the tax casualty...as he wouldn’t cost a crazy asset to dump into cap space and could save us 35 million in cash by himself. Still leaves a high amount though.

Dan as well as his family have a real emotional and financial connection to the city and team that shows in his willingness to spend to keep the product great/—which it will if Bron stays. He promised Bron the tax wouldn’t be a problem and I believe he reaffirmed that with him letting Koby make the moves he did. They didn’t go and get Hood without being confident they’ll resign him. He’s also worth 6 fuckin billion dollars.

Everyone predicting Tristan gets moved in to cap space is way off base. The cavs can’t trade another future first until 2022. Tristan is making 17.5 million next year. There is a massive shortage of cap space. There is no moving off of Tristan’s money into cap space. For other contracts/players. Sure. For cap space this summer? Not happening. Especially if LBJ stays...they are not salary dumping a Klutch client for cap room and luxury tax savings. Just not in the cards, lol.

Hill only has 1m guaranteed in summer of 2019 , JR only 3.8. Korver only 3.4 if he’s not already gone this summer.. Love will be a free agent, Nance will be restricted. TT will be an expiring contract. As will Clarkson. Lots of money can be shifted around.

So I could see Dan pay an obscene amount of money this year, I could see him add a max guy via trade and consolidate the depth some...I could see a lot of different things happen. ...Mainly because it’s not exactly a commitment beyond this year. I think the Cavs best opportunity to get under the tax apron to reset the repeater tax-years will be in the summer of 2019. Or maybe Dan says fuck it and bathes in the luxury tax until LBJ no longer gives you a shot at the title yearly. I mean...Dan knows he’s not gonna pay a dime of luxury tax for a long time once this run ends...


I think anyone pretending that they know for a fact that Dan won’t pay it, after what we have seen him do all these years as well as at the deadline, is full of it.

I thought the best the could do in regards to future money owed would be to get rid of Korver and Maybe you could sell JR on a team that needs spot up shooters, but then you weaken your 3 pt shooting. I think Korver goes and that is as much cap as you can save.

 

[Pioneer10]

Lottery is messed up and tanking is not good for the league or fans. I would dump better odds completely.

In addition, I would do something radically different and try to mimic what European clubs do with relegation.
Expand playoffs which everyone cares with the following changes:
-Top 7 seeds in each conference get a bye with the 1st round going back to 5 games, rest of the series stay the same with 7 game series
- Bottom 4 seeds are out
- Next 4 go into a single elimination 2 game tournament to get the 8th spot for when the traditional playoff format starts

Won't solve everything but every game would count. Losing won't help your draft position at all and winning gets you at least a shot at the playoffs

 

[bigfigga12]

Only speculating here but.... isn’t the NBA cap still expected to increase dramatically in the next few years due the new multi billion dollar TV deal it just signed? I know it increased this past season, but I’m also pretty sure they agreed to raise the cap incrementally each year, versus a cap explosion to its max in 1 year. If this is the case, the higher the cap goes, the better for Gilbert’s Waller moving forward.

 

[Cavatt]

Only speculating here but.... isn’t the NBA cap still expected to increase dramatically in the next few years due the new multi billion dollar TV deal it just signed? I know it increased this past season, but I’m also pretty sure they agreed to raise the cap incrementally each year, versus a cap explosion to its max in 1 year. If this is the case, the higher the cap goes, the better for Gilbert’s Waller moving forward.

It varies now according to the revenue form teams if I am not mistaken, attendance etc. The year it took a huge jump and the one the Warriors signed durant it was due to the TV deal. Players association nixed an incremental jump. (bad for us)

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

Only speculating here but.... isn’t the NBA cap still expected to increase dramatically in the next few years due the new multi billion dollar TV deal it just signed? I know it increased this past season, but I’m also pretty sure they agreed to raise the cap incrementally each year, versus a cap explosion to its max in 1 year. If this is the case, the higher the cap goes, the better for Gilbert’s Waller moving forward.

Basically take everything you said and the opposite is what actually happened lol.


The cap might go up but only by a very small
Margin. There was a massive explosion for 2 years, promarily in the summer of 2016 which enabled GS to sign KD. The players union had the ability to opt for cap smoothing which would have been a gradual raise over time, but they were advised poorly and fucked up and didn’t opt for it basically just because the owners suggested it and they didn’t trust the owners.

Now they had one or two years of crazy bloated contracts , mostly for scrubs, destroyed competitive balance which also makes less teams likely to spend now because they know they can’t beat GS, and now we have a cap only increasing marginally and cap space is at an all time low this summer.

This will lead to plenty of good players being stuck on the minimum, restricted free agents or any non elite free agent is going to have a hard time getting a Big Long term deal. Lou Williams got an MLE deal when he probably deserves a lot more.

Players ended up fucking themselves long term. I don’t see the cap raising until they get the gambling stuff going