Welcome Alec "Game Winner" Burks

[CavsFan07]

If Koby picks up the phone and hears Danny Ainge's voice, he should throw the phone down an elevator shaft.

Notice I said wayyyyyy unlikely.

Last thing we need is for Ainge to swindle us again. Besides, don’t think they have any 5’8” PG’a on the roster anymore that we’d desire

 

[Cavatt]

My only thoughts on Alec are, hopefully this trade with Utah goes better than the last one.

I already despise them for forcing me to swallow this much of Rodney's Hood.

I've heard "not quite as good as Hood" description of Burks. Yuck

 

[Jedi Osman]

He is an underrated Clarkson type of player. Loves hogging the ball,not the greatest shooter with slasher abilities. He is still young tho and with the picks it's a nice trade.

 

[inliner311]

Respectfully disagree. Packaging Burks expiring with JR's contract can potentially save a team upwards toward $30 million next season. How could that not get something back? The Cavs aren't going to help someone save $30m without a.) a valuable young asset or b.) 1st round pick (or more).

JRs contract and Burks' can be combined like you said but to use them to their max they would be used in different circumstances. JRs contract would be most valuable to a team like Houston who is over the cap and have no real way of getting below. They can pair JRs contract with Eric Gordon and some assets to do a opt in and trade. Burks' contract is more for a team that is planning on going after a free agent and know that at the deadline. They most likely have some cap space but want to create a max cap slot, which we can take back a player making up to ~14.4 million.

 

[inliner311]

He is an underrated Clarkson type of player. Loves hogging the ball,not the greatest shooter with slasher abilities. He is still young tho and with the picks it's a nice trade.

I've read that players really like him and he is a good teammate. Really the underlying benefit might be to Cedi if they can build alittle relationship. Cedi needs to figured out more moves while slashing and in transition, Burks might be the guy that shows him those moves and helps him in that aspect. We currently don't have a slashing wing who likes going to the rim like Burks does. Hood and Clarkson seem to settle for a short jumper instead of actually getting in for a layup or dunk.

 

[brownindian]

If Koby picks up the phone and hears Danny Ainge's voice, he should throw the phone down an elevator shaft.

I dont even want anyone in the Cav organization eating a Boston Cream Pie!

 

[The Oi]

Did someone say cream pie?

 

[Green Lantern]

My only thoughts on Alec are, hopefully this trade with Utah goes better than the last one.

I already despise them for forcing me to swallow this much of Rodney's Hood.

Until the Cavs are in a position to trade for a star , these are the type of players they will obtain. Added; if these guys have good contracts to make future deals on.

 

[Truthful1]

Not really excited about this acquisition, but glad the Cavs are getting younger. Hood and Burks same type of player in my opinion. I prefer Nwaba get more minutes then either of them. I hope Burks don't take any of his minutes when he gets back from injury.

 

[avs2000]

Until the Cavs are in a position to trade for a star , these are the type of players they will obtain. Added; if these guys have good contracts to make future deals on.

Burks has a good expiring and will be moved imo either at deadline or off season for more assets
As for Hood. Thank god he did not sign a three year. I am fine letting him walk this year. I am also fine with asking him where would you ok a trade to and take whatever they give you

 

[daddywags]

If my math is correct we can take back about $4 million more than Burks' salary in a trade and stay just under the tax line. I can see them looking at that to add another pick, even if protected, but there's no way I would take on salary beyond next season. If we can pick up a protected first or even a couple more seconds for Burks' expiring contract and avoid conveying our pick to Atlanta (turning it into two seconds) we will have "rented" Korver for a few years for free. (Well, other than more of Dan Gilbert's money.)

 

[inliner311]

If my math is correct we can take back about $4 million more than Burks' salary in a trade and stay just under the tax line. I can see them looking at that to add another pick, even if protected, but there's no way I would take on salary beyond next season. If we can pick up a protected first or even a couple more seconds for Burks' expiring contract and avoid conveying our pick to Atlanta (turning it into two seconds) we will have "rented" Korver for a few years for free. (Well, other than more of Dan Gilbert's money.)

The renting Korver for free will really depend how good we are when we give up the picks and how good the Jazz and Wizards are when we get those picks. #31-40 picks are alot different than #50-60. They are like the difference between 4th round picks and 7th round picks in the NFL.

 

[AllforOne]

If my math is correct we can take back about $4 million more than Burks' salary in a trade and stay just under the tax line. I can see them looking at that to add another pick, even if protected, but there's no way I would take on salary beyond next season. If we can pick up a protected first or even a couple more seconds for Burks' expiring contract and avoid conveying our pick to Atlanta (turning it into two seconds) we will have "rented" Korver for a few years for free. (Well, other than more of Dan Gilbert's money.)

The question I have, and which I assume the front office has a handle on, is: how much money is a draft pick worth? How much would you spend to buy a lottery pick, or a late first-rounder, or a second-rounder?

Because that's essentially what the Cavs are looking to do: peddle off their expiring players, take back longer/more expensive contracts, and acquire draft picks for that service. The players themselves are almost irrelevant from the Cavs' point of view (i.e., they didn't trade for Alec Burks because they wanted him; they traded for Burks because his salary made the trade work).

So how much salary relief do the Cavs need to give to get a low first rounder? A possible mid-first rounder? A possible lottery pick? I guess we'll find out over the coming months.

 

[inliner311]

The question I have, and which I assume the front office has a handle on, is: how much money is a draft pick worth? How much would you spend to buy a lottery pick, or a late first-rounder, or a second-rounder?

Because that's essentially what the Cavs are looking to do: peddle off their expiring players, take back longer/more expensive contracts, and acquire draft picks for that service. The players themselves are almost irrelevant from the Cavs' point of view (i.e., they didn't trade for Alec Burks because they wanted him; they traded for Burks because his salary made the trade work).

So how much salary relief do the Cavs need to give to get a low first rounder? A possible mid-first rounder? A possible lottery pick? I guess we'll find out over the coming months.

We bought the #54 from the Hawks to pick Kay Felder for 2.4 million. To put that in perspective though, if you look at the past 5 drafts, it seems like less than 5% of those pick between 50-60 becomes NBA rotation players. Alot are just draft and slash who never play in the NBA.

I don't think it's about how much a pick is worth more than how much a owner is willing to pay. 2.4 million might have been over paying for Kay Felder especially since we could have probably waited 6 picks and got him for free. Gilbert really liked Felder.

I think it's more about where the owner wants to operate in terms of the salary cap. Remember they only have to pay up to the salary floor, ~92 million this year. Gilbert seems happy to go above the cap, 101 million, and pay just under the luxury tax, 124 million. I think cap space will matter to the team when they feel like they can actually get good free agents. Next summer doesn't seem like the right time to go after a max free agent because we won't be able to recruit any. The summer of 2020 seems alittle more realistic but that will most likely be assessed next season.

 

[AllforOne]

I don't think it's about how much a pick is worth more than how much a owner is willing to pay. 2.4 million might have been over paying for Kay Felder especially since we could have probably waited 6 picks and got him for free. Gilbert really liked Felder.

That's just it, though. The kinds of trades the Cavs are contemplating are for picks in the abstract, as opposed to "we want player X." So it really is about how much a pick is worth.

I don't think the Cavs are ever going to be a premium free agent destination. Not unless another generational superstar from northeast Ohio happens to find his way on the team. So they should use their salary room for the next best thing: taking on other teams' contract mistakes, and making them pay for that privilege in the form of picks/young players (usually picks). It's the one reliable tool that the Cavs have at their disposal to increase the talent going forward.