Welcome Derrick Williams

[Cassity14]

I would sign him up right now, I think a 2nd 0-day contract is a waste of cash.

What's the monetary difference between doing a second 10 day contract before signing him the rest of the way at the minimum? I hadn't thought of that.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

What's the monetary difference between doing a second 10 day contract before signing him the rest of the way at the minimum? I hadn't thought of that.

I dunno, I just look at it as a way to save some cash.. The monetary difference is more than 200k for another 10-day contract. It does save us if he gets injured while he is on the 10-day contract rather than signed long term obviously but what are the odds he is going to get injured in that span?
I think that by signing him now we can save that money and use it on another D-leaguer if we fail to score before the deadline.
Lebron wants him here anyway so I see no point in giving him another 10-day, not only that but if he plays really really well he might ask for more money than he feel comfortable giving him so offering a cheap contract now seems like a good idea imo.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I dunno, I just look at it as a way to save some cash.. Cavs are going to pay more than 200k for another 10-day. It does save us if he gets injured while he is on the 10-day contract rather than signed long term obviously but what are the odds he is going to get injured in that span?

Not signing him for the rest of the season also saves a roster spot if someone better comes available..

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

Not signing him for the rest of the season also saves a roster spot if someone better comes available..

Sure but we are still going to have two more roster spots right? I really don't see McRae staying on the roster if we really care about winning.
But sure you can add that to the pro/cons list but I think it's a long shot and the players really like him it looks like.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Sure but we are still going to have two more roster spots right? I really don't see McRae staying on the roster if we really care about winning.
But sure you can add that to the pro/cons list but I think it's a long shot and the players really like him it looks like.

Oh, I agree that we should sign him to another 10 day. I just don't see any real downside to holding off on signing him for the rest of the season.

 

[shoes22]

I would sign him up right now, I think a 2nd 0-day contract is a waste of cash.

Windy or Lloyd or somebody was saying DWill be signed to another 10-day if they wanted to keep him. They’re not going to sign him for the rest of the season until after the trade deadline, just to keep their options open.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

Windy or Lloyd or somebody was saying DWill be signed to another 10-day if they wanted to keep him. They’re not going to sign him for the rest of the season until after the trade deadline, just to keep their options open.

Okay then it's settled. Damn I want Bogut here so badly.. I almost want to give assets for him just to see Korver raining 3's all day.

 

[Cassity14]

I dunno, I just look at it as a way to save some cash.. The monetary difference is more than 200k for another 10-day contract. It does save us if he gets injured while he is on the 10-day contract rather than signed long term obviously but what are the odds he is going to get injured in that span?
I think that by signing him now we can save that money and use it on another D-leaguer if we fail to score before the deadline.
Lebron wants him here anyway so I see no point in giving him another 10-day, not only that but if he plays really really well he might ask for more money than he feel comfortable giving him so offering a cheap contract now seems like a good idea imo.

I asked because I thought maybe you had done the math. Maybe there was some luxury tax loophole I was missing.

Any deal for the rest of the season is going to be pro-rated based on games played. Signing a 10 day is going to reduce the games played on that type of contract anyway, so I don't think there's really any monetary difference, and definitely not enough to give up the flexibility.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

I asked because I thought maybe you had done the math. Maybe there was some luxury tax loophole I was missing.

Any deal for the rest of the season is going to be pro-rated based on games played. Signing a 10 day is going to reduce the games played on that type of contract anyway, so I don't think there's really any monetary difference, and definitely not enough to give up the flexibility.

I don't do math.. I just throw out numbers I see on a screen.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Windy or Lloyd or somebody Q-Tip was saying DWill be signed to another 10-day if they wanted to keep him. They’re not going to sign him for the rest of the season until after the trade deadline, just to keep their options open.

Fixed.

 

[TitleTown]

Honest question, why are you so obsessed with people only making positive comments 24/7 and making sure those people “eat crow” when a player someone is negative about has a good game?

I’ve been more skeptical about Derrick Williams game since the beginning, and guess what? I still am. I have several reasons for thinking the way I do, just like other people have their reasons for thinking he’s the “hidden piece the team was missing all along” or whatever.

Can we not let people have opinions? I’ve never once insinuated that other people should think like I do. I happen to not be impressed with Williams or David Griffin’s performance so far this year. Other people are, and that’s great. I leave it at that.

It’s not all negativity either, I’ve been on the hype train saying how damn good Kyle Korver has been for weeks.

People don’t need to be put into boxes. We’re more complex than that.

If the board consensus is to let the ALWAYS negative people be ALWAYS negative WITHOUT having to be responsible for their opinions, then I'm fine with that. I'll let it be. I have no problem conceding to the majority opinion.

I will stop being combative with the always negative posters. And, for the record, I don't see you @shoes22 as fitting in the always negative category. But certain posters seem to react to nearly every move from this organization with disgust, negativity, and pessimism. And I think it often colors the discourse on this forum. Take the first 4 or 5 pages of this thread as an example: did we have productive conversation, or were the usual negative posters overreacting to the Williams acquisition?

But, I like I said, I'll stop being combative as it seems that most people are calling for that. I apologize.

 

[Green Lantern]

Honest question, why are you so obsessed with people only making positive comments 24/7 and making sure those people “eat crow” when a player someone is negative about has a good game?


People don’t need to be put into boxes. We’re more complex than that.

He's a complicated man
But no one understands him but his woman
(John Shaft)...

 

[Cavsfan1985]

From Larry Coon:
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q29

"The minimum salary begins to pro-rate on the first day of the regular season. The minimum salary on a Rest-of-Season contract is based on the fraction of the season remaining when the contract is signed. For example, if there are 170 days in the season, then a minimum salary contract signed on the 60th day of the season is worth 110/170 of the full minimum salary amount.1 If a player signs a multi-year minimum salary contract partway through the first season, then the first season is pro-rated and the salary in subsequent seasons is the full minimum salary.

Raises are based on the actual salary in the first season of the contract. For example, if a free agent signs a two-year contract on the last day of the regular season and the salary for the first season is $1 million, then the second season salary may range from $955,000 to $1.045 million.

10-day contracts (see question number 80) are also pro-rated. The salary on a 10-day contract is based on the number of days actually covered by the contract (a 10-day contract lasts 10 days or three games, whichever is longer)."

So for Williams his Min is 1.2MM I believe for years in the league, so his per day would be $7,000 assuming 170 day league. So it looks like a 10 contract is cheaper for the Cavs. Plus, the Cavs can waive Williams anytime on the 10-day with no cap hit. I don't see why the Cavs would not just do a 10 day and then do the min after if they want to keep him.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

I added another just for funsies.

Make that four.

Le Oi if you want to ask questions about Derrick Williams take it to the Liggins thread where it belongs

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

just to see Korver raining 3's all day.

Do you not have access to a television set?