Yankees Respond to Cliff Lee move

[Nom]

Look it's a bottom line business and the bottom line is the Yankees have a ton of World Championships.. More in the last 11 years than the Indians have in a 109 years or however long they've been around ?

You can bitch and moan about how the Yankees get them all you want but they get them and it's awesome.... I mean, to be in Yankee Stadium last year when they clinched was unreal... Not as good as when I was 14 and at Yankee Stadium in '96 or when we gave Rocket his due after man handling the Braves in game 4 of '99, but it was still a great feeling...

Hey look at that, the Indians responded to the Yankees responding to Cliff Lee.... They locked up Adam Everett to a minor league deal (Dolan's probably blowing into a paperbag after writing that check)... Call the Jewelers...

It isn't as simple as owners. The Yankees have the Yes network to the Tribe's STO. Simple market size means they are making an extreme amount more money just due to owning a cable network. Buying ONE rating point in Cleveland during prime time costs around $500. In New York, it is $5,000. Say each team does a 2 rating, and there are 4 spots at the top and bottom of every inning (18 total) that makes for $72,000 for STO and $720,000 for the Yankees. So ONE GAME of revenue can pay for a player's salary for the Yankees - where the Indians it would take ten games to match that. Not to mention the pool of people available to attend games.

That isnt ownership - that is having an advantage simply due to the city in which the team is located.

And you can say "tough shit" about it - but what the hell fun are sports if you start one team out with an advantage? Doesn't that defeat the purpose? Is it that much fun to be cocky about that? "Hey - my team was given a bunch of extreme advantages over your team and then kicked their ass!"

 

[Gunther]

Wow, is this real life?

You are wasting your time. Turn off the auto pilot "Spew rhetoric about competitive imbalance in baseball" mode. Everybody understands that.

You obviously don’t.

Despite this, the Indians have lost consistently. 4 winning seasons in 11. Just how it is. Do they play in an unfair system? Yes. Have they lost consistently? Yes. Could it be partly because they play in such a system? Of course. Does that make it any less true?

You’ve must have a point here somewhere, but it’s not coming through.

NO. It doesn't. Facts are facts. Don't argue them. Could the Indians have done better than 4-11? Answer: yes. You act like I am doing this to bash the Indians or make a point. For once, I'm not. I didn't make my original comment to do anything of the sort, simply stated a fact when somebody else claimed that the Indians had not lost consistently. I feel they have.

Simple. Easy. You're making mountains out of mole hills. But if asking me if I truly am a "fan" and all this other Mickey Mouse crap is more productive ... then by all means, continue with that. *shrug*

I'll go with #3 in my previous response to you: You think you understand the competitive disadvantage that the Tribe faces, but you really don't. You are proving this with every new post.

If you really understood, you wouldn't be whining about some losing seasons. It happens to small market teams across the board in the current revenue structure as I have shown.

And the argument isn't "simple and easy" as you are trying to make it out to be now. Here is one of your original quotes in this argument:

So no, I'm not kidding you. I'm not buying the bullshit you're selling, Gunther, b00bie, mac, and whoever else is going to try and explain to me in actuality how shitty the Yankees current position in baseball is.

So you don’t “buy” that the Yankees are in a position of the greatest advantage certainly in modern sports history, and probably in all of sports history? And that the Indians are at the bottom of the heap in MLB along with a few other teams? Like I said, you’re just proving my point that you don’t understand the situation, even though you think you do.

Hey, keep on fighting the good fight if it makes you feel better.

 

[Gimme Some Mo]

Cmstophe, the only thing I have to disagree with you about is that we have lost "consistently". Having 4 winning seasons out of 11 is not losing consistently.

I am sure you know the definition of consistent, but just to make a point:

con·sist·ent/kənˈsistənt/Adjective
1. (of a person, behavior, or process) Unchanging in achievement or effect over a period of time.

That definition would not apply to teams that have had 4 winning seasons in the past 11 years IMO. IMO it would apply to teams that have had 0, 1, or maybe 2 winning seasons out of the past 11.

 

[Chris]

You obviously don’t.



You’ve must have a point here somewhere, but it’s not coming through.



I'll go with #3 in my previous response to you: You think you understand the competitive disadvantage that the Tribe faces, but you really don't. You are proving this with every new post.

If you really understood, you wouldn't be whining about some losing seasons. It happens to small market teams across the board in the current revenue structure as I have shown.

And the argument isn't "simple and easy" as you are trying to make it out to be now. Here is one of your original quotes in this argument:



So you don’t “buy” that the Yankees are in a position of the greatest advantage certainly in modern sports history, and probably in all of sports history? And that the Indians are at the bottom of the heap in MLB along with a few other teams? Like I said, you’re just proving my point that you don’t understand the situation, even though you think you do.

Hey, keep on fighting the good fight if it makes you feel better.

I'm not making a point.

I was making a comment. You nailed it. There is no point. However, you decided to argue it. You decided to bring up the Yankees, how unfair baseball is, which is what you are currently lecturing me on, when it has NOTHING to do with what I said. I don't give a FUCK (I do- but not for the sake of my original comment) why the Indians have failed in the vast majority of their last 11 seasons. That was not the point. Simply the fact that ... they ... did fail in as many such seasons.

Am I getting through to you finally? Are you getting it at last? Or do I have another lecture about the economics of baseball that has fuckin' nothing to do with what I said coming at me any moment now? Wasn't whining, wasn't venting, I was making a goddam comment. I like you, but your skull must be a mile thick at this point because you are being dense right here. I am running out of ways to tell you that THERE WAS NO UNDERLYING POINT behind my comment to b00bie.

Fucking Indians Defense Force, even when you're not trying to bash the Tribe they spring at you. Unbelievable.

Real quick on the Yankees- uh, yes, they are in an advantageous position. They also have 27 championships ... that gives you the grounds to make fun of and mock them... HOW, exactly?? Which is what I was getting at.

GSM- fine, mince words. The Indians have had losing seasons 7 of the last 11 and thus have not done anything close to win consistently. I admit I was not aware that "consistently" means it never changes- I'd like to note that from now on let's not say that an NBA player "consistently hits big shots" because that would mean he ALWAYS hits big shots, or that a team wins consistently... because no team ALWAYS wins.

See what I'm getting at? Stupid semantics, broseph.

Not trying to sound like a douche to you guys at all. Simply frustrated, especially with you Gunther, because I've explained a handful of times now what my original comment was all about and ... you're still regurgitating crap about the financial structure of baseball. Please ... read ... comprehend...so I don't have to type another fucking post. :rofl: Oh, and stop insulting my intelligence with this "You actually don't understand!! The Yankees ARE at an advantage!" horse crap. Please. You know I understand. You know anybody who watches a fucking ounce of baseball understands the big markets have the advantage. So just stop. It's insulting. With any luck, you will finally realize how little any of that garbage has to do with what I said anyways.

 

[Gunther]

{Unfairly hacked to shreds by Gunther}
Blah, blah, blah, Gunther is thick-headed, miscellaneous circular logic, it's not my fault, whine whine whine.

OK, dude, I'll agree that this discussion needs to end.

Two things I think we can agree on:

1. We both want the Indians to win.

2. It takes these to post in the baseball forum:

Brass balls baby. Don't come in here half cocked without making a point unless you're making a funny joke, or at least trying to. You will be called out. No one is immune, and I include myself in this. I've been called out plenty in the past as well. That's why I try to HAVE A POINT when I post. Or make a joke. Either way.

I've enjoyed many of your posts in the past, and that's why I have repped you so often, which I will be happy to continue to do in the future. But you were weak on this one. You can do better.

Go Tribe.

 

[Frank Stallone]

Clearly...

World Series titles (2)

1920 • 1948

AL Pennants

1920 • 1948 • 1954 • 1995 • 1997

World Series titles (27)

1923 • 1927 • 1928 • 1932
1936 • 1937 • 1938 • 1939
1941 • 1943 • 1947 • 1949
1950 • 1951 • 1952 • 1953
1956 • 1958 • 1961 • 1962
1977 • 1978 • 1996 • 1998
1999 • 2000 • 2009

AL Pennants (40)

1921 • 1922 • 1923 • 1926
1927 • 1928 • 1932 • 1936
1937 • 1938 • 1939 • 1941
1942 • 1943 • 1947 • 1949
1950 • 1951 • 1952 • 1953
1955 • 1956 • 1957 • 1958
1960 • 1961 • 1962 • 1963
1964 • 1976 • 1977 • 1978
1981 • 1996 • 1998 • 1999
2000 • 2001 • 2003 • 2009

Do you know what is the most annoying shit in the world?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THAT^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

It isn't just for the Yankees or PIP. It is for EVERY SPORT and EVERYONE. I hate people who live in the past. PIP idk how old you are but you most likely were not alive for more then half of those. I go to school with a ton of Yankee fans (for the record I hate Sox fans 100times more than Yankee fans), and the ones who go "Yeah 27 titles!!!!!!" can go screw themselves.

You cannot claim championships from the fucking World Wars when you were born after the creation of things like MTV. Do you see Browns fans going "Well yeah it sucks we lost this year to you Atlanta. But HAHA JOKES ON YOU FALCONS FANS! We have 8 league championshipppppppssssss!" One because the past doesn't matter. Two because most of us weren't alive for them.

I really don't care that the Yankees won 27 World Series. You know who has 27 championships? Michigan football. You think they went up to Buckeye fans this year and said, "Ha, well nice win but we have 27 titles." PRINCETON has 28 National Championships, you think they talk shit to teams like Alabama?

The bottom line is, why the hell does your # of championships matter? Especially when most people weren't alive for half of them. Now if a 105 year old taunts me with 27 Yankees titles, then all power to him. But people who are fans of the Celtics, Yankees etc. just sound dumb when they brag about titles they weren't alive for.

 

[hendo24]

Why does PIP post here anyway? I've seriously always wondered this.

There are Yankee/Knicks boards out there, so why hang out at a Cavs board?

 

[AZ_]

Yankee fail part 3....

Brewers get Greinke.

 

[Chris]

OK, dude, I'll agree that this discussion needs to end.

Two things I think we can agree on:

1. We both want the Indians to win.

2. It takes these to post in the baseball forum:

Brass balls baby. Don't come in here half cocked without making a point unless you're making a funny joke, or at least trying to. You will be called out. No one is immune, and I include myself in this. I've been called out plenty in the past as well. That's why I try to HAVE A POINT when I post. Or make a joke. Either way.

I've enjoyed many of your posts in the past, and that's why I have repped you so often, which I will be happy to continue to do in the future. But you were weak on this one. You can do better.

Go Tribe.

Don't get all tough guy on me, Gunther. This isn't some high-class pay-to-post membership forum or something. This is the baseball subforum of RCF. I've been here long enough and I know what is expected on here, and yes, people are allowed to make a post with a simple comment without intending for a debate or huge argument. That is well within the rules of RCF.

Original post in case you forgot, where I even mention the playing field not being level:

2 winning seasons

9 years.

We know it's not a level playing field and all that jazz, but you just said they haven't lost consistently. They have.

Appreciate the good words, of course. But as for the weak rhetoric about "bringing the rain" in every post you make, telling me I'm "whining" because you were acting too daft to see where I was going, and all that other crap... get the fuck out of here with that shit. You were itching for a fight and you barked up the wrong tree, the tree that had absolutely nothing to do with what you were trying to say. Now you're going to act like I was simply "half-cocked" and needed to "bring it stronger" or something. Yeah, that's insulting. Eggs on your face, YOU were the one being too thick-headed to see there was no argument or intent for debate behind the original post, and YOU are the one who tried to get in the childish "last shot" here before smooth talking and trying to end it. Again, insulting to my intelligence. But I'll forget about it. Just wasn't going to let you slip out the back door after taking your pot shots and acting like you were just serving as the forum hawk who keeps everybody up to snuff.

Other than all that? Sure, it's all good, brother.

 

[jerzy234]

Here is the real response the Yankees have to not getting Lee, getting former Cleveland Indian (pitched 11 games last year) Luis Vizcaino.

Yankees Sign Luis Vizcaino
By Mike Axisa [December 19, 2010 at 9:47pm CST]
The Yankees have signed right-hander Luis Vizcaino to a minor league contract according to Marc Carig of The Star Ledger (via Twitter). If he makes the team, he'll earn $750K.