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which 5 players do you think have the most potential? which 5 do you think are the most likley to bust?

Potential

1-Harrison Barnes
2-Kyrie Irving
3-Enes Kanter
4-Terrence Jones
5-Jonas Valanciunas

Bust

1-Perry Jones
2-Derrick Williams
3-Don. Montiejunas
4-Jan Vessley
5-Jordan Hamilton
 
I tend to think highest potential and highest bust go hand in hand. Perry Jones should be at the top of both lists (or at least top 2). The two different categories should be "sure thing" and "bust."
 
I tend to think highest potential and highest bust go hand in hand. Perry Jones should be at the top of both lists (or at least top 2). The two different categories should be "sure thing" and "bust."

Well said. I was thinking the same thing. The reason they are a bust, is because they have a very high potential when drafted.

However, I don't think there's any such thing as a "sure thing" either.

Personally, I think we've covered this topic in about 10 other threads.
 
so basically this thread is like the one already made with the top five you want to draft, now with an additional five you don't want to draft
 
Not sure I am understanding how Derrick Williams will bust. He leads the NCAA in college PER and has improved every facet of his game since last year. At the worst he will be a productive bench player. My understanding of a "bust" is someone like Adam Morrison who does nothing and his career is short-lived. A solid productive player who may never become an all-star isn't really a bust in my opinion, just didn't exceed expectations.
 
Not sure I am understanding how Derrick Williams will bust. He leads the NCAA in college PER and has improved every facet of his game since last year. At the worst he will be a productive bench player. My understanding of a "bust" is someone like Adam Morrison who does nothing and his career is short-lived. A solid productive player who may never become an all-star isn't really a bust in my opinion, just didn't exceed expectations.

If he's taken in the top three, and only ever becomes a productive bench player, then he's technically a bust.
 
I think a players size and skill play alot into their potential.
Thats why I like guys like T Jones, H Barnes, K Leonard....Fredette is skilled enough to be somethin but I see when hes in a position when he has to use pure athleticsm to overcome he doesnt do good. idk about him.
 
Potential
Perry-easily the best physical specimen in the draft, will look forward to seeing him against athletes his own calibur in the nba.
Irving-purest basketball player in college basketball till the injury, think he has the potential to facilitate, and be a scoring threat anywhere on the floor, a deadly combination.
Kanter-An nba body, post moves, post defense, think he's an ideal center on a championship team, he'll do work in the paint like he was born for it.
Sullinger-he's got the mind, and the physicality to play in the nba immediately.
Kemba Walker- just look at the quickness and the range. could be unguardable even in the nba.

bust potential-
perry- from everything i heard he's as dumb as they come. nba athleticism and a nickel head are good in the circus not the nba.
irving-since he's been injured i think people have raised him even higher. think people overrate him.
Valanucius- draftexpress has a guy raw as can be number 2 in the draft. right now there's no way he can play in the nba. there's a lot of hope and i think it's mad hope. if he was 6'9 there's no way anybody would be talking about, people overrate his physical ability, and he's too young to know how well he knows the game.
sullinger- the undersized wide ass power forwards have always been fun to watch bringing a football mentality to nba circles. We'll see how big his ass gets, and what happens when teams put centers on him. He's going to have to show he can score on 7 footers who can be just as physically imposing as he is on the next level to be worthy of a top 5 pick.
Kanter-lack nba athleticism, height, and length. He's very average physically by nba center standards. going to have to show that he's a skilled big man, rather than what he's shown in europe utilizing an nba frame in a college setting. being a possible top 5 pick i think there's a lot of average in his game. We'll see if he can improve.
 
so basically this thread is like the one already made with the top five you want to draft, now with an additional five you don't want to draft

no its nothing alike whatsoever
 
Not sure I am understanding how Derrick Williams will bust. He leads the NCAA in college PER and has improved every facet of his game since last year. At the worst he will be a productive bench player. My understanding of a "bust" is someone like Adam Morrison who does nothing and his career is short-lived. A solid productive player who may never become an all-star isn't really a bust in my opinion, just didn't exceed expectations.

Williams is the very deffiniton of a tweener, too small for a 4 spot, not quick or fast enough for the 3 spot. those types of players dont last long in the NBA plus most scouting reports list his weakness as rebounding

ok he's effiecent in college. so what? that doesnt always translate to the NBA
 
Williams is the very deffiniton of a tweener, too small for a 4 spot, not quick or fast enough for the 3 spot. those types of players dont last long in the NBA

Its time to retire this term. If a player fails to make it in the NBA, its most likely because he either didn't have the talent, or he didn't have the mental ability. Just because you don't fit a position doesn't mean you're going to fail. There are countless examples of so-called "tweeners" making it in the NBA.

(Not meant to be a shot at the poster, just annoyed by the phrase in general.)
 
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Derrick-Williams-5811/

Watching his film, the thing that stands out the most is how complete a scorer he's become. Williams is a nightmare for college coaches to gameplan for. He's able to shoot the ball from beyond the arc (knocking down an outrageous 70% of his attempts, on only about one make per game), operate effectively in the post, and create his own shot from the perimeter.

While his 3-point shooting percentages are likely to come down to Earth, and he may not be able to post up in the NBA at quite the same rate

Williams' rebounding production has improved by nearly 20% this year on a per-minute basis, but that's more due to his work on the offensive glass -- where his terrific hands, excellent second bounce and outstanding instincts all play a major role -- than on the defensive end. He ranks toward the middle of the pack amongst NCAA power forward prospects as a defensive rebounder, something that's unlikely to improve at the NBA level based on what we can see.
 
I tend to think highest potential and highest bust go hand in hand. Perry Jones should be at the top of both lists (or at least top 2). The two different categories should be "sure thing" and "bust."

or even sure thing vs highest risk (which would imply potential to both succeed and fail). that would be useful, i think. and makes you wonder if a team with two top 10 picks would select one player from each category.
 
Williams is the very deffiniton of a tweener, too small for a 4 spot, not quick or fast enough for the 3 spot. those types of players dont last long in the NBA plus most scouting reports list his weakness as rebounding

ok he's effiecent in college. so what? that doesnt always translate to the NBA

So what? So he is producing at a steady rate in a major conference. He is hardly playing at a streaky rate like the bigger risk players such as Jones and Barnes.

You need to stop thinking in terms of "positions" and players as a 1,2,3,4, or 5. Most teams and franchises are increasingly getting away from that mentality. Do they Heat start a traditional 1-5? They seem to be doing alright for themselves. Players now are more likely broken into categories based on abilities, and that is the way most teams create their lineups. This article does a nice job of explaining the "myth" of a "tweener" and how most people that use the term are writers and bloggers who having nothing to do with NBA teams.

Every year there is so much draft talk about the battle between potential and production. NBA teams, in a perfect world, would draft players that have both, and preferably when they are still young.



Think about the majority of top picks each year. Derrick Rose, John Wall, Blake Griffin, Tyreke Evans, Michael Beasley, Kevin Durant, Greg Oden -- all those guys had great potential, to be sure, but they also put up big numbers and had great success in college.



Then consider some other draft picks, guys like DeMar DeRozan, Austin Daye and Xavier Henry -- all super talents who were not quite the production monsters those other guys were. Consequently, they fell out of the top-six range of the draft, though were still drafted high because of their youth and upside.



So what player in this draft stands out as a guy already producing but still flaunts big-time potential? Look no further than last season's freshman of the year in the Pac-10, Arizona's Derrick Williams, who's looking to play his way into the lottery.



The first question you might ask when considering Williams' current stock as a mid-first round prospect is, "How can someone that productive not be a top-10 guy?" The answer, of course, is his "tweener" label. At this time of year, players who don't have at least one position they definitely project to play are always seen as more of a risk, compared to guys who have a natural position due to their size and skill set. As we get closer to June, though, prospects will have had ample opportunities to display their game in a more structured setting (the draft workouts), and can show their full range of talents. It's no guarantee they will move up in the draft, but plenty of guys similar to Williams (tweeners like Thaddeus Young and Jeff Green) have done just that.



What is it about Williams' game that I think scouts will end up loving? I'll start with this: his "ranginess." Watching him play, you'll see him unfurl his long arms to snatch long rebounds out of his area. No matter what position he ends up playing, that is a talent that projects well. He does a good job of going to get the ball, and because he plays power forward/center at Arizona, he's used to the banging and shoving inside. He's not a great rebounder and does not project as one, but he's good enough, considering it's not his best skill.



His best talent lies in his production and efficiency as a scorer. I didn't list this first because, if he weren't the rangy athlete that he is, it would be hard for him to crack the lottery strictly based on his best talent. But make no mistake, Williams is probably the best all-around scorer in college today.



He makes slashing drives. He knocks in catch-and-shoot, midrange jumpers. He races the floor for dunks in transition. He finishes around the rim with either hand. And though he does not take many 3s, he makes a great percentage of them (how's 12 for 17?).



He's also sensational in getting to the free throw line. In 31 games last season, he took 232 foul shots, and this season he has 99 attempts already in just 12 games. Clearly he earns some of them because even though he's just a sophomore, he's already stronger than many of his opponents. That advantage leads to free throws, though it will be mitigated a good deal as a pro. However, it also shows he knows how to get fouled, and that awareness doesn't depreciate at the next level. Crafty guys who can think the game will typically find new ways to be effective as pros, evolving their game as their bodies and skill level expand or change.



There is debate as to what his best position will be in the NBA, though most of it comes from people not working in the NBA. Positions in the league have increasingly grown into more general categorizations, moving away from the more specific slots of the '90s. In that case, Williams is easily seen as a forward, someone who can swing from the power to small spot based on the opponent's personnel package, as well as his own team's system.


He won't be a guy who will likely lock up the most versatile/quick ball handlers at the small forward spots (guys like LeBron James or Rudy Gay), but from Carmelo Anthony to Durant, Williams has the requisite athleticism to compete as well as anyone might against those scoring machines. Similarly, he'll have trouble at the power forward position against size guys like Pau Gasol or Dirk Nowitzki, but then again, no one on the planet can guard them.



More traditional studs at the power forward spot, like Amare Stoudemire or Chris Bosh, are only mismatches because of the difference in age and experience. Physically, Williams will be able to hold his own.



Remember this about Williams: He'll play this entire season as a 19-year-old (he turns 20 in May). He's eight months younger than Wall, and a whopping four years younger than Wesley Johnson, another college forward who's now a 2/3 in the NBA. Williams can grow a great deal in all facets of the game, and can become quicker with the ball and as a defender (though he already averages over a steal a game). He appears to be a guy who can be an excellent outside shooter, but thanks to his ability to get buckets and free throws, he won't just be a guy on the court to spread the floor.

NBA teams need at least three shooters on the court at all times if they want to effectively attack defenses, and Williams' talent assures teams that he can be one of those guys. When I watch him, I see some Thaddeus Young, some David West and some Paul Millsap. Those guys are three of the top 20 power forwards in basketball, though none was a top-10 pick. Williams, though, can play the small spot better than all of them, and that added versatility gives him a great chance to get into that coveted top 10 range.
 
If he's taken in the top three, and only ever becomes a productive bench player, then he's technically a bust.

Perhaps, but if people are going to argue that this is the weakest draft in 10-15 years, then how can people complain about a player being a bust. If we are expecting mediocre players from this draft then we can't get uspet when we get mediocre players.
 

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