Z sign and trade possibilities?

[NarlCavs]

First of all, let's not confuse message board speculation with real actual rumors. Many of these probably aren't realistic trades or would actually happen. Most young, developing teams aren't going to take on a 30 year old highly paid C when they're looking long term with a core of young talent and already have a younger C like Magloire or Kamen.

Out of the possibilites mentioned, the Memphis deal does seem like something that could work for both teams. L. Wright would be at least a servicable C and M. Miller would be a versatile perimeter scorer/shooter.

Seattle could be a team to look seriously at for a sign and trade. A lot depends on what they do with their own FA's. They have a ton of key guys who will be FA's. If Ray Allen can't work out a new contract Seattle might want to get something for him and they do need a C and frontcourt help. If Radmanovic and Daniels don't work out new contracts than they are players to look at in sign and trades.

One thing to remember with sign and trade deals is that teams rarely get back equal value for the player they're trading. Examples from just last summer are the Warriors getting basically nothing but matching contracts from Dallas for Dampier and the Nets just getting draft picks from Denver for Kenyon Martin. Hopefully if the Cavs do end up tradign Z they can at least fill a hole, add depth or get a decent replacement C as part of the trade.

 

[TrueCavsFan23]

on hoopshype their were 3 days in a row talking bout Z for odom and george or mihm.

 

[The Disector]

1. New Orleans Hornets
Jamal Magloire
Dan Dickau (resigned)
for Z + Sasha

3. Memphis Grizzlies (I liked this one Cleveland56)
Lorenzen Wright - can grab boards and score easy baskets, was averaging about 16/8 when Pau Gasol was out.
Stromile Swift (re-signed) - Gooden evil twin. Plays defense (athletic blocks) but erratic on offense
Mike Miller - Good, good shot. Liability on defense, but if he can make the shot I'll be happy.

for Z + Sasha

4. Sacramento Kings
Brad Miller
Cuttino Mobley
for Z + Sasha + Gooden

6. Indiana Pacers
Ron Artest
Jamaal Tinsley
Jeff Foster
for Z + Luke Jackson

7. Los Angeles Clippers
Bobby Simmons
Mario Jaric
Chris Kaman
for Z

New Orleans is a nice trade--replace Z get a pg.

Memphis is a great trade.
Wright is under appreciated.
Miller is a great shooter.
Swift can be great or average.

Sacramento is a consideration but throwing in Gooden leans me toward no but i'd definitely look into this deal.

Indiana a good deal but would be great if we could replace Luke with Sasha.

Los Angeles a perfect trade for the Cavs.
Replace Z with a solid all around player.
Get a PG and a SG.


I wouldn't be against any of these trades with a slight tinker here or there and the Cavs could be building a nice foundation of talent with any of them.

 

[CavsTalk]

I'm with Narl on this one too... You guys have to get your head outta of the clouds and comeback to reality granted there have been some outlandish trades, but chances are these trades aren't going to go down... most of them benefit the Cavs such as (#3, #6, #7). Even if some joe-shmo writes these players in an article I would hope that you guys don't believe eveything you hear... With that being said I like Z, but not enough to pay him more than 11mill/yr; therefore I say we go young/quick, build depth and defenses toughness.

 

[TruBuckeye22]

i just don't see Z back in Cleveland next year so i hope they get something for him.

 

[LyXo]

Z could end up in Memphis. There have been rifts with Bonzi Wells and Mike Fratello. Stromile Swift and Jason Williams joined the pack.

And now checking the salaries, Stro + Wright + Miller wouldn't work. But something like Wright + Miller, Wright + Williams, Stro + Miller/Williams would.

 

[The Disector]

And now checking the salaries, Stro + Wright + Miller wouldn't work. But something like Wright + Miller, Wright + Williams, Stro + Miller/Williams would.

If the Cavs could get Miller, Williams and Stro--wow that's a great sign and trade.

The lineup would be:
PG Jason Williams
SG LeBron James
SF Mike Miller
PF Drew Gooden
C Stro or a Free agent signing.

Fire power for a team that had no outside shooting last year.

 

[Mac]

LOL, no way they would do that.

#1, you will never get face value in a sign and trade....Kenyon Martin was traded for trash, he is a very good player.

#2, the team with the player doesnt hold the leverage, esp with himbeing UFA, so they cant force or hold out for more.

 

[NarlCavs]

Memphis is a very possible sign and trade team for Z. They have tons of depth and need a C.
Iyxo had it right that it would most likely be 2 players coming from Memphis. I could probably live with a Wright & Miller or Wright and Williams trade even though Williams is an a-hole.
That would probably be about the best the Cavs could get in a sign and trade and both of those deals would fill needs. I'd try to get a future #1 thrown in too since the Cavs need some. I'm sure you could get Bonzi Wells from Memphis but I don't think the Cavs should take a chance on any potential problems.

Dallas is another team that gets brought up for a Z sign and trade. I don't know if I'd want to have to take back Dampier's huge remaining contract though.

Who knows? If Seattle can't work out a contract with Ray Allen maybe the way to get him would be in some type of sign and trade involving Z.

 

[OC Zip]

If we have to trade Z, I like the sign and trade to Seattle for Ray Allen idea. As noted above, teams generally don't get fair value back in these deals. The Seattle trade could work in the favor of both teams in that regard. My second choice would be Z to Philly for Dalembert + filler. With the abuse AI gets every night in the lane, I can't see him staying healthy too many more seasons. Chris Webber is almost in a wheelchair. Yeah, they have young developing players in Korver, Iggy, and Dalembert. But, those guys won't win them anything w/o stars like AI. So, as I see it, Philly needs to win now. They might want to grab Z and make a run next year.

If we can't get someone really good in return from another team, I'd just try to trade Z for some expiring contracts. The last thing we want is to be handcuffed by mediocre players with long/big contracts. Look at the Lakers. First of all, trading Shaq was obviously idiotic. But, if they were "forced" to trade him and they honestly couldn't have worked a deal for better players, they should NOT have picked up Brian Grant's contract. Living near LA, all I hear on the radio is people (broadcasters and fans) complaining how they are in salary cap purgatory. They did Miami a huge favor by taking Grant and they shot themselves in the foot for 3 years because of it. They can't sign any good players now and they will be bad for the next few years because of that. So, NO bad contracts for Z. Even if we get some bad players with 1 year deals, that would be OK because we'd still have room next year to get more good players.

Also, please new GM, no trade with the Lakers. They would love Z and I'm sure they would include Odom in a trade. He can be great and near unstoppable. However, that is only when he's fired up, which is not that often. He's also a slashing small forward. I think we already have the best one of those in the NBA. Unless we plan on bringing Odom of the bench, forget it. Caron Butler is OK (also a small forward). Mihm is fine for a backup only (still too much foul trouble). But everyone else this side of Kobe is garbage. There's a reason they aren't in the playoffs with one of the best players in the league. It's the same reason as the Cavs. No defense. No consistent shooters. No real point guard.

 

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