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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/ian_thomsen/04/29/sonics/1.html

Gilbert's steep learning curve
The new ownership group in Cleveland, led by 42-year-old internet entrepreneur Dan Gilbert, didn't wreck the Cavaliers' season by firing coach Paul Silas because the damage had already been done. But Gilbert does bear responsibility for undermining the authority of management. The Cavs went south after Gilbert's initial meetings with Silas -- meetings so exasperating that Silas no longer wanted any part of what had been a dream job -- coaching LeBron James. Combined with Gilbert's lame-duck treatment of GM Jim Paxson, the Cavs suddenly found themselves without meaningful leadership down the stretch.

New owners who want to be the next Mark Cuban need to remember three things: (1) Cuban is very, very smart (which is not to say that Gilbert isn't); (2) Cuban earns the right to call the shots because he spends all his time around the team, so he has learned from experience; and (3) Cuban's first act in Dallas was to express confidence in coach Don Nelson's management team, with the understanding that Nelson (in spite of the Mavs' losing record and their nine-year playoff drought) knew far more about pro basketball than he did. The result was that Nelson redoubled his efforts for an owner who showed faith in him rather than doubt. The Mavs were 9-23 when they met their new owner, and went 31-19 thereafter (and have been contenders ever since). The Cavs were 31-23 when Gilbert took over, and went 11-17 thereafter.

Silas bears responsibility, too, for reacting negatively to his new boss. But most winning coaches likely would have expressed a similar reaction.

The good news for the Cavaliers is that Gilbert is figuring it out -- and quickly. Last week he quietly summoned player personnel director Mark Warkentien to run basketball operations until a new GM is hired. Warkentian's first mission was to stop in Chicago (en route to Cleveland from his home in Portland) on Monday to meet with Herb Rudoy, the agent for Cleveland's free-agent center Zydrunas Ilgauskas.

"It was a good meeting," said Rudoy. "I think Mark wanted to talk in order to give the owners a sense of where we are. I appreciated it, and Zydrunas appreciated it."

Rudoy was bemused by Gilbert's recent assessment to the Cleveland Plain Dealer that Ilgauskas' return was a 50-50 proposition. The behind-the-scenes truth -- as illustrated by Warkentien's visit -- is that Gilbert isn't going to let go of his 7-foot-3 center without due diligence.

Since undergoing surgery in 2001 to successfully realign his left foot, Ilgauskas has emerged as a two-time All-Star, averaging 15.4 points, 7.5 rebounds and 2.0 blocks while missing just five games -- none because of foot problems. Those feet can't be insured in his next deal, but Rudoy has said that he's willing to discuss incentives that would serve as a kind of alternative insurance to Cleveland should Ilgauskas break down again. To lose an elite center who is still improving and who wants to stay in Cleveland would be infinitely worse than the loss of Carlos Boozer last summer. "You know what the first question is that every coach is going to ask the new owners," asks Rudoy. "'Are you going to re-sign Ilgauskas?'" says Rudoy.

It will be interesting to see if Gilbert will consider promoting Warkentien to GM. Traditional basketball people will have trouble adjusting to Gilbert's ownership team, but Warkentien is an outside-the-box thinker who shares their philosophy of examining every alternative. In addition, Warkentien has forged one of the league's best draft records in previous stops with Seattle and Portland. But it would take a gutsy owner to fire Paxson in order to promote his assistant.


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This article is written by a very respected writer so I'm pretty sure it's acurate.

Gilbert may actually want Z back. :thumbup:

Mark Warkentian has been running basketball operations, GOOD sign. We know Gilbert doesn't know nothing about basketball, i'm glad he's letting people who have experience in the business do their work. It said he may be considered as the new G.M. He might not be a bad idea, a respected drafter at least. If we can't bring in a john hammond or a jerry west, this guy might be a very valid option.
 
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im still not sure if i want Z back. If we dont then we will have lots of cap space to sign big name guys. but we wont have a good center. i guess we could always find one or start AV. But i dont think AV is ready yet.
 
Finally some sanity into the "Z or not to Z" debate. Lets resign the boy.

I like this line "To lose an elite center who is still improving and who wants to stay in Cleveland would be infinitely worse than the loss of Carlos Boozer last summer."

Its all music.
 
It will be nice when a new GM and coach gets hired so we have some real sense of where things are heading and what moves might get made. No one really knows what's going to happen now since there's really no one running things.
Glad to see Warkentein is at least in place now so there is someone with a basketball background to help Gilbert out. Not sure I'd want Wrkentein as the new GM. Portland has a history of getting low character problem children on their team. It's ok to take a chance sometimes but they've gone too far and it's come back to bite them.
I'd still prefer a new GM to come from elsewhere, preferably from a winning situation and background. If it's an assistant GM or personnel director then the Spurs, Pacers, Pistons and Kings would be where to look.

Nice to see the contact with Z. The Cavs are still the best option for him but it's probably still 50/50 at best he's back.
 
Sheesh why are people from Cleveland so pessimistic? I think gilbert is realising z's value, so he will be back
 
It will be nice when a new GM and coach gets hired so we have some real sense of where things are heading and what moves might get made.

:werd: I don't want to jump to the next scene, but if Phil Jackson (magically) becomes our coach, then Z gets resigned.

Phil likes to have a big offensive center with the half court game. Triangle would work well in Cleveland. (I think)
 
The triangle won't work in Cleveland without shooters. That's why the Lakers struggled over the last two years with two top 5 players and no rings. Add another shooter and then the triangle would be deadly with Z or Lebron in the post. Z and our other shooter would get some great looks. Plus Gooden and AV would operate real well on the weak side
 
I dont think I would call the Lakers a "struggling" team. They did have some chemistry issues, Payton's style was not a match for the Laker's game, Kobe and Phil and Shaq had a crazy love triangle, but in the end Detroit was the better team.

The triangle would need shooters, and I don't know about the center part though. Z is the type of guy that can nail an open jumper, and gives a suprising amount of hustle. Shaq's shooting percentage drops exponentially outside of 5 feet. The other centers who Jackson won championships with? Guys like Luc Longley, Bill Wennington, and Scott Williams. I don't think the center is a very important part of the triangle, but I would still say better to have Z than no Z.
 
A center can be a very important part of the triangle if we use Z as the primary post threat out of the triangle. Pretty much if Phil coaches the cavs Z is back 100% because his game fits the triangle, not to mention Z's a veteran, and the players we would have to bring in to replace Z are all young, and inexperienced, phil doesn't develope young players, nor like to play them.

This brings concern whether we'd keep our young sasha, and luke, even though they're shooters, and could work in the triangle, would phil play them, or would we trade them? for picks, and veterans who understand more about the game?

I'm pretty sure varejao would stay cause his game definately fits the triangle at the 4 spot to a T. Weak side is an AV specialty. :chuckles:
 
There has been a couple of occasions where Phil's youngers stepped up to the table: Walton/Rush. Those two did a great job for Phil last season, so our youngsters (AV/Sasha or Luke) wouldn't be in too heap of trouble getting minutes, especially if they are gifted.
 
the lakers arent going anywhere anytime soon. they wont compete for the finals until they get a lot more people.
 
I think Phil is the kind of coach that likes to play his veterans more, but wont hesistate to play a younger, less experienced guy if he outplays the vets.

I wonder how well Drew would fit in the triangle. He is good on the weakside and his style of play could fit well. But the triangle usually requires cerebral players that have a good understanding of the game. Drew isnt a complete idiot, but he does seem to mess up on plays and make stupid mistakes.

This is good news for those of us who want to keep Z. I was under the impression that Gilbert wasnt high on Z and wasnt planning on resigning him. This article still gives me hope on Z staying here.

I wouldnt want Warkentien as the new GM. But its nice to know that if the other GM options dont work out, we have a guy with a solid record to fallback on.
 
I always thought the triangle was overrated. It's only worked in the NBA with teams that had superstars to bail it out like Jordan, Pippen, Kobe and Shaq. When it was tried with other teams in the NBA without such players it was a failure.
With Lebron in Cleveland it does make it a possibility it would work here but there would have to be many roster changes.

This is why I mentioned yesterday that it will be nice when a new GM and coach get hired so there is a sense of who will and won't be back and what moves will have to be made. It's a different scenario if Jackson is coach than if Saunders or someone else is.

Gilbert was quoted as saying it was 50/50 that Z would be back. His recent interview with the Plain Dealer still made it seem like it was questionable that Z would be resigned. Again, a new GM and coach could change that thinking.
 
Infante said:
:werd: I don't want to jump to the next scene, but if Phil Jackson (magically) becomes our coach, then Z gets resigned.

Phil likes to have a big offensive center with the half court game. Triangle would work well in Cleveland. (I think)

I think Phil is the kind of coach who knows how to utilize his offensive players and loves gritty hard nosed players to be his role players.

Derek Fisher, Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Dennis Rodman, Luc Longlley, Ron Harper, Randy Brown, Horace Grant are the type of guys he likes for role players.

I think Phil will evaluate Z's strengths and weaknesses and then decide if Z would fit what he wants to try to do.
 

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