Not even sure what we're disagreeing about really, but, I'll go through it for clarity's sake....
Don't women have the right to do what they want with their bodies?
Of course.
You do know how high risk people are she's talking abiut right?
What do you mean by this?
And frankly, I could not care less who she fucks, I think the problem was with her tweet putting the bi-actor on blast.
He didn't do anything wrong, so why is she putting him out there? Should he not work? Her tweet served no purpose but to attack him and bi-actors as well as the studios that hire them for work. She didn't have to put the guy out there like that.. served no purpose.
Should people be so politically correct that they put themselves at risk to contract HIV?
No, I've said before, she can fuck whoever she wants.
Why can't people leave people alone?
I wholly agree, so why did she open the can of worms to begin with? She initiated the conversation by attacking the bi-actor, agents, and implicitly the industry, remember?
Why jump all over them if they disagree? Especially if the subject is who they want to fuck?
Because she put it on social media, to all the world. She opened it up for public discourse. And she got a public response.
You think people shouldn't have said
anything? Really?
In any event , no I don't think Jenna Jameson is harassing any particular Muslim to the point where they kill themselves. I looked really briefly and she says a lot of things other people who have problems with the religion say. I don't see how you could come close to equating these scenarios at all.
Really???
So Jenna's comments are okay, but random people online chastising this woman for her comments about a bi-actor
aren't okay? That makes no sense to me. If anything, they are the same; and if we apply a modicum of ethics here, then Jenna's are worse (in a
generalized sense to someone making a sensible argument against homophobia), because they are unprompted and attacking entire groups of people. She's not attacking Islam, btw, she's attacking Muslims...
C'mon bro... we should be able to agree on
this, right?
And rather than dissecting the same arguments we've seen and painting people poorly as we've seen for awhile now, I'd just rather not deal with the mess. A woman killed herself because people didn't want her to choose who she fucked.
I really don't understand what you mean here, again....
You posted Jenna Jameson's tweet.. I
agreed with you about the unfortunate nature of Ames committing suicide and said it was sad. In addition, I also wanted to point out that Jenna Jameson should look in the mirror because she's said horrible things that would "trigger" people and many would find hurtful ... Obviously, someone or some people said things to the actress who killed herself that triggered her to commit suicide.
Now... with that being said, again, I think you're missing a bit of the story here. The reason MOST people were mad was because of what Ames said, not because of her personal (and private) choice not to fuck the guy... Everyone knows porn actresses can pick and choose what jobs they take, and that's not public. Many porn actresses only do jobs with certain races, or only with girls, or only with guys, etc. So the issue isn't that she didn't want to fuck a bi-guy. Nobody even knew that! The issue is that she put him on blast on Twitter.
I'm not sure if you missed it, but it was this tweet that set off the firestorm:
That's wholly inappropriate and wrong. Again, she didn't deserve to die, but we can't say that what she said here was cool either, right? Thus, it would obviously receive a public backlash, right?
Not really.. It's a thread ABOUT women. Where a bunch of guys talk ABOUT women, often in less than flattering ways, and we're all guilty of that, right?
Moreover, this thread has served as a platform to attack the most pressing causes in women's activist groups, as well as feminism in a general sense more than anything. And while I'd be happy if this was a thread to promote feminism and women's causes, it's not that. And however you may stand on this, surely you'd agree, that was the intention of the thread from the jump, right? I mean, we even discussed this up-thread.
But, if this is the issue that turns things around though, that'd be great.
All in all though, again, I'm saddened Ames chose to take her own life -- I think that's awful.
I think more of the problem here is the reliance, emotional and psychological reliance, that people in our society have with social media. And furthermore, I think the other half of the problem is that social media has created a sense of absolutism among the population, wherein, everyone's opinion has enough merit to be shared with a complete stranger -- and since everyone has a right to an opinion, then they have the right to their own truths. This is what creates a pornstar who thinks to tweet out something so reckless, and also creates thousands of individuals in the ether willing to share their two cents, right or wrong, vitriolic or not.
That's the society we live in due to Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, YouTube, etc... And until people get a hold on what really matters in this world, then it's not going to change.
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