Browns rant thread.

[dark2332]

This is bullshit. Wentz wasn't some can't miss QB prospect. There were tons of question marks surrounding him coming out. Half the fans didn't even know who he was until after the CFB season ended. Stop acting like he was Andrew Luck all season and The Browns said no.

He's better than Andrew Luck.

 

[Triple-S]

He's better than Andrew Luck.

You mean 3 time pro bowler Andrew Luck?
You mean "Went to the playoffs in his rookie season" Andrew Luck?
You mean "led the 2nd Biggest comeback in NFL Playoff history" Andrew Luck?

Luck may be down for the count for a bit, but make no mistake? He's a damn good QB.

Wentz is a good player. I will give you that. He's likely making the playoffs, and will likely be in the Pro Bowl. But he's still got a bit to go.

 

[inliner311]

This is bullshit. Wentz wasn't some can't miss QB prospect. There were tons of question marks surrounding him coming out. Half the fans didn't even know who he was until after the CFB season ended. Stop acting like he was Andrew Luck all season and The Browns said no.

Exactly, he was division 2 QB that played a couple division 1 schools. He had to make a bigger jump than the normal drafted QB. If we are going to knock the front office for a QB it should be passing up Watson. He had alot less question marks and he finished the season beating two team that were not only stacked with NFL talent but top tier NFL talent.

The only question mark I really heard of Watson was how hard he throw the ball. I remember it was something like 49 mph while every other NFL QB throws it at least at 55 mph. It was a stat I never heard used for any other QB like ever and I think it was probably made up by Houston or another team targeting Watson.

 

[Triple-S]

Exactly, he was division 2 QB that played a couple division 1 schools. He had to make a bigger jump than the normal drafted QB. If we are going to knock the front office for a QB it should be passing up Watson. He had alot less question marks and he finished the season beating two team that were not only stacked with NFL talent but top tier NFL talent.

Steve McNair was taken in 1995 with the 3rd overall pick. Alcorn State grad.

But...McNair was an absolute "Freak" to put it mildly. He was third in votes for the Heisman while playing ball for an FCS school. That is...unheard of. He also led a HBCU to the playoffs on several occasions.

For FCS talent to go that high? You normally need to be some freak of nature talent that blew the hell up.

Even HALL OF FAMERS like Tony Romo, Kurt Warner couldn't get drafted. Romo even won the FCS version of the "Heisman" and didn't get picked.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

This is bullshit. Wentz wasn't some can't miss QB prospect. There were tons of question marks surrounding him coming out. Half the fans didn't even know who he was until after the CFB season ended. Stop acting like he was Andrew Luck all season and The Browns said no.

In the words of sportscoach

Me and Los don't agree on much so when we are on the same page the Supreme Court of RCF has spoken and all other opinions are invalid lol

But really Wentz wasn't a can't miss and again, I can't stress this enough, he still has a long way to go before he is annointed. It's actually kind of funny that someone said he's better than Luck because that perfectly illustrates the point a few of us try to make on here that people fall in and out of love with young QBs and are so quick to annoint/condemn them

Luck was appointed the single greatest QB to ever breath like 2 years ago by just about everyone. Browns fans held resentment towards Indy for their blatant tanking to get him and the Colts were looked at as the next super bowl representative for the afc

But now, of course, 20 games into his career where at least 10 of those games were putrid Carson Wentz passed him up. Because he's been shinnier lately.

Same thing going on with Mariota. Seriously look at the heat index on some of these young QBs. It's amazing how fast they can go from first ballot HOFer to "he was always overhyped"

 

[buzzdog]

I don't agree with the methods Hue has used so far with Kizer and Kessler. If I'm the front office, I would tell Hue to pick a QB and show that in these last 9 games he can develop him. It doesn't matter which QB it is but he needs to take a more hands on approach and maybe give up playcalling to someone on the staff. If we are going to use a top 3 draft pick to get a QB, we need to know Hue can actually develop him.

He was brought in because he was a QB guru. He has been a glorified OC to this point. He needs to focus on the head coaching and QB development part of his job. These are two things we have lacked the most since coming back. A good OC can be found in the offseason if need be. I just don't think a good HC and QB coach will walk through those doors if we blow up the current coaching staff.

Playing Kizer then benching him when he doesn't execute, working with him some more, then playing him again... IS developing him. Whether it takes hold or not, I don't know. But Hue's method and strategy seems pretty clear and logical to me.

Rewarding Kizer with unlimited playing time when he is doing things that are directly responsible for losing otherwise winnable games would be failing to develop him. If and when Kizer shows he deserves to stay on the field, he'll stay on the field. Not before then. I don't know why that isn't obvious to everyone.

 

[inliner311]

Playing Kizer then benching him when he doesn't execute, working with him some more, then playing him again... IS developing him. Whether it takes hold or not, I don't know. But Hue's method and strategy seems pretty clear and logical to me.

Rewarding Kizer with unlimited playing time when he is doing things that are directly responsible for losing otherwise winnable games would be failing to develop him. If and when Kizer shows he deserves to stay on the field, he'll stay on the field. Not before then. I don't know why that isn't obvious to everyone.

Maybe I worded my post wrong. We need to know Hue's methods of development actually produce growth in QBs. Thus far it hasn't. He used the same methods on Kessler last year that he is using on Kizer right now. If at the end of the year Kizer hasn't grown as a QB, are you willing to give Hue another year and another QB? I don't think I would especially if it's the number 1 pick. We need to see Hue actually grow a QB beyond the point of what they come into the league as. His methods might seem logical but if they don't work on Kizer, Kessler, Hogan, or RG3, I'm not sure it's logical to think the same methods will produce results if it hasn't so far.

 

[BMAN]

He's better than Andrew Luck.

What the fuck?

 

[Soda]

View: https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/922291927323734022

Unfortunately, injury was a concern before & during the draft for Hooker. I hope he leaves that reputation behind him moving forward, but it's been prevalent in his young career.

 

[Kiddo]

Hue has to go if can't change his system for his young QB. He needs to dumb down his playbook while Kizer learns how to play QB in the NFL. He looked really good for the first 25mins by throwing lots of short quick passes from the pocket. Then Hue calls a downfield play that has 2 wr within 5 yds from each other resulting in an overthrow pick. The pick was all on Kizer but even hall of fame qbs will struggle with making that throw. The wr was surrounded by defenders. He's taken way too many downfield throws this early in his career but Hue just can't help himself. Hue's also gotta know Kizer's completion percentage is even worse when he's on the move.

 

[Soda]

Missed watching my first game in the past few years. The DVR, I suppose, saved me the angst when it went rogue on me. 2 funerals in 1 afternoon & honestly, I probably came out of that less depressed than I have the past few weeks.

 

[Phills14]

What the fuck?

Don't you know that Andrew Luck is injured and therefore he sucks. Everyone is talking about Wentz so clearly Luck < Wentz

 

[Los216]

Guys I hope those of you saying Hue needs to dumb down the playbook get a chance to go see Kizer live. i sit right off the 40 yard line in the upper levels so I can see the whole field. Please take my word for it when I tell u that Hue doesn't need to dumb down the playbook at all. Kizer is missing a lot of open reads. I counted 5 plays Sunday in which he he a receiver running open up the seam and looked at them only to immediately go to the check down.

He looked like he was scared to put the ball into coverage. It was frustrating how he had guys open but refused to let it fly. He missed Kenny Britt four times up the sideline. He didn't have any confidence. The absolute most annoying thing was watching him refuse to take advantage of Njoku. The guy is a mismatch for opposing defenses. They simply couldn't cover him. The only improvement I saw from Kizer Sunday was his pocket awareness. He was really good at moving around in the pocket but you can tell sitting in the stadium that he didn't have the confidence to throw into coverage. He never throws guys open.

Also Kenny Britt beat his man multiple times yesterday and should've gotten more targets. It's not the playbook that's the problem in the passing game it's the execution from the QB's. Receivers are getting open. There are plays out there to be made.

Now with the running game I'm sorry but a lot of this is on Crow. He's a one cut back. He left about 40 yards on the field from simply not bouncing runs outside and I'm so over him falling down 10 times a game. H'e not a RB1. Also it's not like they aren't trying to get Duke the ball. The Titans were hip to him all game. They knew he was our number 1 target. They wouldn't let hi get off. Njoku needs to be the number 1 target moving forward.

 

[natedagg]

I made a monumental mistake this Sunday and didn't get anything done because I went to the Bears game. My company provided tickets to a suite and told me to bring a prospect. Total waste of time, but at least the weather was horrible so I don't think I could have done much during the game anyway. FYI Trubisky keeps getting a pass because he was drafted so early, but the Bears offense was AWFUL: 4 first downs. All game. And they won.

How can win 1 in 30 when you can win a game with 4 first downs and 140 yards of total offense?!? It's asinine. Best part? The Bears game ends but I am not leaving b/c you either leave early or late but never with the crowd, duh. So I find the Stains on TV in OT, and the offense goes backward, and they lose. IMAGINE THAT. I feel like the Browns shouldn't even sell season tickets or they could see a class action lawsuit because there has to be some sort of breach of contract for being this shitty.

The worst part? Next weekend I committed to watch the whole Browns game with a friend who is a Minnesota fan, and it was my idea. It's only because it's a morning game and our kids are friends. It'll be like a multitasking breakfast, playdate, and Browns massacre. CANT WAIT.

 

[buzzdog]

Maybe I worded my post wrong. We need to know Hue's methods of development actually produce growth in QBs. Thus far it hasn't. He used the same methods on Kessler last year that he is using on Kizer right now. If at the end of the year Kizer hasn't grown as a QB, are you willing to give Hue another year and another QB? I don't think I would especially if it's the number 1 pick. We need to see Hue actually grow a QB beyond the point of what they come into the league as. His methods might seem logical but if they don't work on Kizer, Kessler, Hogan, or RG3, I'm not sure it's logical to think the same methods will produce results if it hasn't so far.

To be fair injuries were a huge factor with Kessler and RG3. With Kessler there seemed to be an issue with him not going downfield the way Hue wanted him to but who knows, and Hue had McCown to step in which was also a factor.

I don't know if Hue's strategy is the right one, I'm just saying I can understand what he's trying to do. I don't agree that you just keep trotting a guy out there and never pull him off the field if his performance is directly causing us to lose games. That would be the quickest way to have the whole team quit on him. Hue has to keep trying to pull strings to give us a chance to win and that has driven his decisions.

I think the light will go on for Kizer at some point. Hopefully sooner rather than later. The season could look a lot different once that happens, as long as the team keeps playing hard for Hue.

I want to see some continuity and I don't see how changing coaches every 2 years gets us anywhere. But it is certainly a valid argument that if Hue completely fails to make Kizer into a reliable quarterback, why would you let him be involved in the next go-round? So I can agree that Hue's status for next year is probably tied to Kizer's development, as much as I wish for continuity.