Browns rant thread.

[Surge]

Is that 0-16 parade happening again?

This is truly one of the worst teams in the history of the NFL.

Name me a worse team.

Only the inaugural Buccaneer team has it over these guys, imo

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

This regime sealed their fate when they passed on Carson Wentz. It made no sense then and even less now. That sole decision may have been the most asinine the franchise has made since returning in 1999.

More so Wentz AND Watson, not to mention the other talented guys that the Browns passed on prior to Kessler or Kizer.

Do Wentz or Watson have the same success in Cleveland? That’s obviously debatable. What’s not debateable is that this FO and/or coaching staff seems incapable of identifying or developing a QB, both of which are extremely worrisome given the war chest of picks the Browns will have in the upcoming draft.

I’d be more worried about this team flat out saying Wentz wasn’t good enough and neither was Watson.

 

[Soar]

I don't think Wentz is the same player on this team.

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I'm getting tired of seeing this.

We pass on a QB:

Groupthink: Well we need more assets than just a QB. Makes sense.

QB plays well:

Groupthink: Well he'd never be good here.

We fucked up passing on Wentz. Just own it and try to find the next one I guess.

 

[Kevalier]

This is bullshit. Wentz wasn't some can't miss QB prospect. There were tons of question marks surrounding him coming out. Half the fans didn't even know who he was until after the CFB season ended. Stop acting like he was Andrew Luck all season and The Browns said no.

You're right, sir. I will refrain from ever criticizing the Cleveland Browns organization again and instead drink Pilot Flying J gasoline directly from the nozzle. See you at the Muni Lot, brother!!!

 

[batdan]

I'm getting tired of seeing this.

We pass on a QB:

Groupthink: Well we need more assets than just a QB. Makes sense.

QB plays well:

Groupthink: Well he'd never be good here.

We fucked up passing on Wentz. Just own it and try to find the next one I guess.

Pretty sure Wentz would be concussed at some point last year if he played for the Browns. Right now, Colemon is hurt, Kenny Britt is a POS, and Crowell can't find a hole to run through. Where do you see Wentz or Watson fitting into this?

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[Soar]

Pretty sure Wentz would be concussed at some point last year if he played for the Browns. Right now, Colemon is hurt, Kenny Britt is a POS, and Crowell can't find a hole to run through. Where do you see Wentz or Watson fitting into this?

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You're not going to have a perfect team assembled and then magically find a QB.

Good QBs can make guys around them better.

You can't tell me a good QB wouldn't have been able to win the game today.

 

[GreasySpread36]

Pretty sure Wentz would be concussed at some point last year if he played for the Browns. Right now, Colemon is hurt, Kenny Britt is a POS, and Crowell can't find a hole to run through. Where do you see Wentz or Watson fitting into this?

So we can't draft a good player at a particular position because the rest of the team isn't good? That makes zero sense whatsoever. I'm not going to harp on Watson because I wasn't sold on him at all going into the draft (and I'm still not sold on him) but clearly we missed on Wentz. Maybe he wouldn't look as good in Cleveland as he would in Philadelphia, but that's why you have a bunch of other draft picks, so you can build around the guy. Talent shows wherever it is. Besides, it isn't as if Wentz is surrounded by a galaxy of offensive star power in Philadelphia. I think his weapons are pretty pedestrian, honestly. Yet he still makes plays.

Seriously, I can't believe anyone could watch that game today and still say with a straight face that we can't bring in a highly touted QB. Had we gotten even mediocre QB play we'd have won this game going away. We don't have a QB worth a damn and it is absolutely killing this team. It can't continue.

 

[Triple-S]

I'm getting tired of seeing this.

We pass on a QB:

Groupthink: Well we need more assets than just a QB. Makes sense.

QB plays well:

Groupthink: Well he'd never be good here.

We fucked up passing on Wentz. Just own it and try to find the next one I guess.

This ain't chicken or egg.

This is an entire culture that is TERRIFIED of drafting talented players at that spot.

This team needs quarterbacks, halfbacks and receivers. The Browns currently have...1 guy of note that could probably get significant playing time on ANY other team in the league (Duke)

There is NOTHING wrong with drafting a guy later in the first, or in the 2nd to play on this team. There is EVERYTHING wrong with trading out of drafting talented players.

This is a cultural problem. Not something that can just be fixed by drafting a QB. IT CAN be a nice start though. If you do it next year (likely)? Draft and sign backs, receivers like they're going out of style.

 

[batdan]

You're not going to have a perfect team assembled and then magically find a QB.

Good QBs can make guys around them better.

You can't tell me a good QB wouldn't have been able to win the game today.

I'm only making that argument because this team has fundamental problems that will derail a quarterback's career. Youngest team in the league, top 5 in penalties per game, and Hue shouldn't be calling plays are only a few of them. There's plenty of blame for the coaching staff and front office but I can't blame them for tearing it down completely. This team needs top tier talent in order to change

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[NorthCoastBias]

I need Ben to develop a way to filter out words on this site. "Wentz" and "Watson" would immediately be the first two to go on the list. They're not on our team. They'll never be on the team. Give it a fucking rest already.

 

[CBBI]

Here's the thing on passing on Wentz.

Yes, it was clearly a mistake, but you can't throw all the blame on the front office for that one.

It's important to understand that Hue wasn't sold on the kid above all else. No front office in the league is going to force a top 3 QB on their coach if he's not sold.

 

[GreasySpread36]

I'm only making that argument because this team has fundamental problems that will derail a quarterback's career. Youngest team in the league, top 5 in penalties per game, and Hue shouldn't be calling plays are only a few of them. There's plenty of blame for the coaching staff and front office but I can't blame them for tearing it down completely. This team needs top tier talent in order to change

So you say the Browns need top-tier talent, yet they cannot afford to draft a top-tier talent at the most important position on the field. Do you realize this argument makes no sense?

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

I'm only making that argument because this team has fundamental problems that will derail a quarterback's career. Youngest team in the league, top 5 in penalties per game, and Hue shouldn't be calling plays are only a few of them. There's plenty of blame for the coaching staff and front office but I can't blame them for tearing it down completely. This team needs top tier talent in order to change

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But the One area where this team had legitimate experience was on the O-Line. If they were worried about drafting Wentz and having him get killed last year, they could have paid Mack or another FA Center. They horribly mis-managed the Schwartz situation. He was ready and willing to re-sign and the FO screwed it up. A young, home grown talent who is arguably the best the league at his position.

People can handicap the FO all they want, but let’s not have a woe is me attitude on something like this. Being the youngest team in league and having a crap o-line last year is more a result of their own decisions than anything else. It shouldn’t be an excuse to let them off the hook.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

Here's the thing on passing on Wentz.

Yes, it was clearly a mistake, but you can't throw all the blame on the front office for that one.

It's important to understand that Hue wasn't sold on the kid above all else. No front office in the league is going to force a top 3 QB on their coach if he's not sold.

This is my point though. If Hue can coach the guy for a full week at the Senior Bowl and come away with the decision he wasn’t sold on him (then the FO didn’t draft him) would you as the owner of the team trust those same people to use a high pick on a QB two years later?

 

[Soar]

One guy isn't going to change everything.Football isn't basketball.

Basketball one superstar can make an entire front office and coaching staff look good. (LeBron).

Football actually requires that you have a good coach and good talent evaluation.

So a QB isn't going to fix everything. But we need one badly.

FWIW I think the Browns are actually still set up pretty well to be good in the near future. But I don't think Hue is the guy.