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How much would you trade for the draft rights to Otto Porter?

  • Just pick him #1.

    Votes: 5 7.0%
  • Not interested in trading up to get him.

    Votes: 25 35.2%
  • Trade #19, #31, #33 and Kings (201_) pick

    Votes: 24 33.8%
  • Trade #19, #31, #33, and Grizz (2015) pick

    Votes: 3 4.2%
  • Trade #19, #31, #33, Kings and Grizz pick

    Votes: 3 4.2%
  • Trade #19, #31, #33, Kings, Grizz, and Heat (2015) pick

    Votes: 2 2.8%
  • Trade #19, #31, #33, and Cavs (2014 top-5 protected) pick

    Votes: 3 4.2%
  • Trade #19, #31, #33, Kings, Grizz and Cavs (2014 top-5 protected) pick

    Votes: 2 2.8%
  • Trade #19, #31, #33, Kings, Grizz, Heat, and Cavs (2014) protected pick

    Votes: 2 2.8%
  • Trade every available pick the Cavs can possibly trade over the next 5 years.

    Votes: 2 2.8%

  • Total voters
    71
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How does Porter compare to Harrison Barnes? Are they different players?

I think Porter scores VERY well in metrics similar to the ones the Cav's front office likes.

Barnes is probably a better athlete; however, I think Porter has a more diverse array of skills (passing, perhaps an edge in rebounding, perhaps a bit more defensive potential with his length). I still don't like the way Barnes just tends to float through a lot of games. Like he forgets he's playing or something.

Anyway, while I still like Otto, I have cooled off on him in a big way.
 
I still have this guy on my list.
When you look at the players even though VO is more explosive, Porter can do what the Cavs need at a position they don't have to worry about trying to fit a player into.
 
A Bio on Porter

Comes from a big basketball family


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...merica-to-the-nba-draft-the-otto-porter-story



From Small-Town America to the NBA Draft: The Otto Porter Story

By C.J. Moore(College Basketball National Lead Writer) on June 24, 2013


Morley, Mo. — It’s 2:30 p.m. on a sunny Wednesday in the small hometown of Otto Porter Jr., and the legendary coach who tutored both Porter and his father is asleep in his office.

Ronnie Cookson owns a seed shop about three miles down the street from Scott County Central High School in Morley, Mo., population 696, and he wakes up to tell stories of the Porters. Every story seems more unbelievable than the next for a guy who is about to be one of the first picks in the NBA draft on Thursday.

One of Cookson's favorites is how John Thompson III got Porter to Georgetown, or rather how Cookson’s wife got Porter to Georgetown. Porter was interested in the Hoyas, but he wasn’t sure about visiting campus before making a decision.


Washington D.C. is jammed full of history,” Cookson said. “And Bubba, he’s kind of into history.”

That was all it took for his wife, Dee Cookson, to convince Porter to visit Georgetown. She told him to go to see the sights. It wasn’t the college girls or watching a game that pulled at his heartstrings, but history.

Bubba, as they affectionately call Porter in his hometown, was president of his high school’s history club. He was salutatorian of his graduating class. When he was home last summer, Porter went to the high school to visit with teachers before a meeting they had in the library. Porter was enjoying catching up with teachers so much that superintendent Al McFerren eventually had to pull him aside.

After a while I said, ‘Hey, man, we’ve got to start the meeting,’” McFerren remembers.

Every person you talk to in Morley has a story like this about how good a student Porter was or how polite the young man was.

Porter was more nerd than jock, and that makes sense when the first thing most talent evaluators rave about is his basketball IQ. And that comes from an uncommon basketball upbringing.

Most players these days are discovered before they get their driver’s license. Porter avoided the discovery zone—AAU basketball—and instead trained with his father, uncles and cousins and went to summer camps with his high school teammates.

In April 2011 at a party thrown by ESPNU for the Jordan Brand Classic, recruiting analyst Dave Telep asked the players who had been practicing together for days if they knew this guy’s name, pointing at Porter.

“Only half the team knew it was Otto Porter,” Telep said.

They all know now. And the more you learn about Porter and where he came from and who he played against, it all adds up to a once-in-a-lifetime story.


***

Porter’s graduating class at Scott County Central High School was 32. It takes three towns—Morley, Vanduser and Haywood City—to get enough kids the same age to fill a classroom.

Around these parts, they take pride in raising their boys right. Basketball and religion are what most people talk about. Nearly every other radio station on the dial is Christian Talk Radio. How the team is going to be next year is usually the talk this time of year.

“Between me and you and a fencepost, that’s all the boys have got is basketball,” says Jim Tyler, a retired bus driver who now runs the scoreboard at the high school games. Tyler has been going to Scott County Central games since he got out of the Navy in 1968. “They don’t have a lot of money. That’s the only thing they’ve got.”

The area, or at least the school, is on the map because of those boys, particularly the Porters.

In southeast Missouri, the family is royalty.


Otto Porter Sr. and Marcus Timmons, the school's all-time leading scorer, are among the players honored at the Scott County Central gym.

Scott County Central has won a Missouri state-record 16 state championships and Porter’s relatives have been involved with most of them. His father, Otto Sr., won the first in 1976. Otto Sr.’s brothers, Melvin Porter and Jerry Porter, won state titles.

On Otto Jr.’s mom’s side, his uncle Marcus Timmons won state titles in 1990 and 1991. He is the school’s all-time leading scorer and was Missouri’s Mr. Basketball in 1991. Otto Jr.’s cousin Mark Mosley was the starting point guard on those teams.

Otto Jr. had two cousins start alongside him in 2011. Even his mother, Elnora Timmons, won a state title and was all-state in 1985.

“I don’t really think that there’s very many people who are knowledgeable about basketball in the southeast Missouri area who haven’t heard about the Porters, period,” McFerren says. “The Porter family has been around a long, long time, and as a result of that, it’s been sort of like not recycling but renewing what they started years and years ago.”

When Otto Jr. graduated in 2011 after winning three straight state titles, the team won a fourth straight title in 2012 with two of his cousins in the starting lineup.

“Everybody says we recruit,” Dee Cookson says of the team that keeps winning because of the families, like the Porters, that keep filling talented rosters. “It does sound unbelievable until you live it.”


(Jumping Down some into the article)


You would think Otto Sr. would have chosen a different path for his son. Instead, as the locals tell it, he moved his family from nearby Cape Girardeau to Morley before Otto Jr. started the seventh grade so he could play for Scott County Central.

Cookson had been retired since 1995, but Otto Sr. helped convince the old coach to come out of retirement Otto Jr.’s freshman year to help coach the boys.

On his first day back on the job, Cookson noticed Otto Jr. was trying to mimic some of the older boys on the team by doing a lot of talking, a luxury he had not earned yet.

“I said, ‘What the [flip] did you say? Would you shut your g------ mouth? I’ve already heard more out of you than I heard out of your dad in four years!’

“And boy, he never said another word the whole time I was there,” Cookson says, chuckling.

Cookson kept Otto Jr. out of the lineup that year until the postseason. He would help the Braves finish third at state.


The next three years, there was no doubt that Otto Jr. was the star. The Braves won three state titles. His exploits are legend now.

“One night out on the floor, the clock was running out and he got the ball inbounds and he underhanded it all the way down the floor through the net,” Tyler says.

Chris Pobst, the sports editor at the paper in nearby Sikeston, said, one game he covered, Otto Jr. scored 47 points, and when asked about it after the game, he had no idea.

“He didn’t look at the stats. He didn’t care about them,” Pobst says. “His game, his demeanor, he was the same every game.”

In his junior year, Otto Jr. broke one of his dad’s records by grabbing 35 rebounds in the state tournament semifinals. Frank Staple, who is now the head coach at the school, remembers tallying the stats that night.

“We came in at halftime and thought, ‘Am I looking at this right?’” Staple says. “Because he had 20-some rebounds at halftime. This dude has 22 rebounds at halftime. You knew he was snatching every board. He always did, but he just made it look so easy.”

“And you’re talking about the Final Four of the state championship,” McFerren says.

As Staple and McFerren share stories in McFerren’s office, it’s like two guys telling tales at the local barbershop.

McFerren says he knew Otto Jr. was special when little Scott County Central was able to stay right with powerhouse Simeon High School out of Chicago.

“I had seen him do some things as a freshman being able to produce,” McFerren says. “I thought, ‘OK, well, we’re a small school. The people we’re going against night in and night out, and he’s tall, they just can’t do anything with that.’ But then when we started playing bigger level schools, larger schools, and it didn’t fall off, then I knew it was something very, very special. And he’s making it look so easy. Effortless. I thought, ‘Gah, are these big schools not preparing their kids very well on how to keep somebody out of the lane?’”


By the time Otto Jr.’s senior season started, the big-name colleges had started to take notice. McFerren had to give up his office so often for coaches visiting that he had to find a second room in the school to get work done.

Coaches from Missouri, Kansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Saint Louis and Georgetown, to name a few, eventually found their way to Scott County Central.

Telep and his colleagues at ESPN.com rated Otto Jr. at No. 42 in the 2011 class without ever seeing him play ( :chuckles: )

“I’m big into the profiling,” Telep says. “And when you peel away the layers of this kid, what he accomplished and the genetics that he has and behind it all is just this strong upbringing and character, you can’t ignore that.”

There is more but it is long
 
It seems that character guys really play well with Grant. They have to be talented too, but he wants hard workers that can represent the Cavs well. Porter is the least risky pick in the draft on many levels - from character to him likely being capable of at least being competent in the NBA.

The ESPN Insider bit earlier said that NBA execs couldn't decide if he was the next Scottie Pippen or the next Tayshaun Prince. If his ceiling is Pippen and floor is Prince, that's a fairly safe pick. Not what you long for out of #1 every year, but this isn't every year. I think the character and work ethic will likely win out and Grant will go with Porter. I won't be disappointed if he does (or even if he doesn't). But I like Porter's story and his willingness to do whatever he needs to to help his team win. He strikes me as a glue guy that isn't the center of everything, but can really pull the team together by how he acts and plays.
 
I think he's closest to Shane batter in terms of going a bit too high for a role player, but a guy that will play for many successful teams over his career and be in demand
 
I think he's closest to Shane batter in terms of going a bit too high for a role player, but a guy that will play for many successful teams over his career and be in demand

His game is too well rounded for him to be just a role player. I'm not sure you can really call a guy who can play the post, shoot the midrange, shoot the three, pass well, and play good D a mere role player. I think they are both glue guys, but Porter should be better than Battier has ever been offensively.

Ultimately you are limited to whoever is available in your draft year. This year there is no true superstar in the draft, so you have to assess teams needs, the quality at the top, how you think that quality will develop, and how it will impact your team.

One thing is certain - compare Battier and Porter when they are both 19 and it's not even close on offense, though Battier was fierce defensively even then.
 
Yeah, I'm not sure I get this definition of "role player." Is everyone who's not the 1st option on offense a role player? Is there even a player in this draft who's capable of being a go-to scorer in the NBA?
 
It seems that character guys really play well with Grant. They have to be talented too, but he wants hard workers that can represent the Cavs well. Porter is the least risky pick in the draft on many levels - from character to him likely being capable of at least being competent in the NBA.

The ESPN Insider bit earlier said that NBA execs couldn't decide if he was the next Scottie Pippen or the next Tayshaun Prince. If his ceiling is Pippen and floor is Prince, that's a fairly safe pick. Not what you long for out of #1 every year, but this isn't every year. I think the character and work ethic will likely win out and Grant will go with Porter. I won't be disappointed if he does (or even if he doesn't). But I like Porter's story and his willingness to do whatever he needs to to help his team win. He strikes me as a glue guy that isn't the center of everything, but can really pull the team together by how he acts and plays.

I think Grant won't go with Porter, for the simple reason that small forwards are a dime a dozen, while centers are not.
 
Yeah, I'm not sure I get this definition of "role player." Is everyone who's not the 1st option on offense a role player? Is there even a player in this draft who's capable of being a go-to scorer in the NBA?

They do always seem to come out of nowhere don't they?

Towards the top of the draft...I'd think McLemore should have that ability right out of the gate depending on the team that drafts him. Oladipo probably could be within a couple years. Bennett has the potential. Burke does too, but again...depends on the team and if they start him or give him 15-20mpg off the bench because they already have a solid PG. Muhammad was supposed to be. Maybe if he lands in the right situation?

Past those guys, I haven't really researched or watched much.
 
They do always seem to come out of nowhere don't they?

Towards the top of the draft...I'd think McLemore should have that ability right out of the gate depending on the team that drafts him. Oladipo probably could be within a couple years. Bennett has the potential. Burke does too, but again...depends on the team and if they start him or give him 15-20mpg off the bench because they already have a solid PG. Muhammad was supposed to be. Maybe if he lands in the right situation?

Past those guys, I haven't really researched or watched much.

Really? McLemore? :huh:

He really couldn't get to the rim at all on his own steam in college. The stats (1.6 shots made at the rim per 40 minutes) and the eye test both bear that out for me. He's a long way away from being more than a spot up shooter and an occasional target on a cut to the basket. There's no way you can run an offense through him.

You got me with Oladipo...I have an irrational love for the guy and think he's such a damn hard worker that he might be able to pull it off. But in college he really didn't look like a guy you could run your offense through at all.

I have an irrational dislike for Bennett, so I really don't think he ever becomes a go-to guy in the NBA, and DX backs me up on this a little, saying "Bennett doesn't have too many weaknesses on paper situationally aside from his lack of prolific scoring ability one-on-one and in the post." He's just...ew. I dunno. Don't think he's a hard enough worker to make that improvement.

You may have a point about Burke. I really haven't watched enough of him to say. He obviously looked the part in the tourney. If Lillard can do it I guess Burke could too. Sleeper for ROY?

Muhammad I give a 0.01% chance of becoming a superstar and a 99.99% chance of being a total bust :thumbup:
 
I think Grant won't go with Porter, for the simple reason that small forwards are a dime a dozen, while centers are not.

Alonzo Gee's are a dime a dozen, but that's not much comfort.
 
You got me with Oladipo...I have an irrational love for the guy and think he's such a damn hard worker that he might be able to pull it off.

It's not irrational. Attitude and willingness to work harder than everyone else are what separate potential from greatness. I lean towards Noel over Len, and Oladipo over McLemore, precisely because they've aready demonstrated that they're high basketball character type of guys. I'd rather role the dice with those type of guys than with guys who appear to have more talent, but whose heart/fire hasn't yet been proven.
 
Porter's interview up:

[video=youtube;UHsSCFGIw4M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHsSCFGIw4M[/video]

Couple of quick notes:

-He kinda sucks at interviews. Turn your volume up.

-His agent told him the Prince comparisons were hurting him, so now he's comparing himself to Durant.

-He played center in high school, which is kind of unusual. That explains why he has such an effective post game, and he could really create mismatches down low if he bulks up.
 
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Couple of quick notes:

-He kinda sucks at interviews. Turn your volume up.

-His agent told him the Prince comparisons were hurting him, so now he's comparing himself to Durant.


-He played center in high school, which is kind of unusual. That explains why he has such an effective post game, and he could really create mismatches down low if he bulks up.

haha that's exactly what i was thinking when he said that...
 
Otto Porter needs to learn how to enunciate his words. I literally heard "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"
 
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