Closer Look: Otto Porter

[Lee]

I was all for Otto when we had the 3rd or 4th pick, but if Porter fully develops, he is still a 3rd best player on a good team. We have to go elite. If that means Mclemore and we figure out our back court situation later that is fine. If the knee checks out and they think Noel can develop some sort of offense that is fine. But i just doent see Porter as an option at 1 overall.

Now if we do some trading and pick him up 3rd or 4th, i am all for it. It is a weak draft, Porter in a normal draft is a back half of the lottery player. But that doesnt mean he couldnt be a great fit....just not #1 overall.

Yes, I was driving the Porter band wagon for awhile, but now that we are #1, i am off the bus.

 

[cavfanintexas]

there is nothing wrong in have a player like Tayshawn Prince, Porter is the safest pick and fits a need at SF, and is the only one in the top 5 that would be a starter on this team next year. A starting 5 of
Irving, Dion, Porter, TT and AV looks good. then go out a find a bench we need more than Gee, Zeller (pf) we need trade sign for a tough vet center like Zaza Pachulia/Robin Lopez and backup PG/SG Tony Allen and trade our 19th and both 2nd to move up for Steven Adams.

 

[AZ_]

there is nothing wrong in have a player like Tayshawn Prince, Porter is the safest pick and fits a need at SF, and is the only one in the top 5 that would be a starter on this team next year. A starting 5 of
Irving, Dion, Porter, TT and AV looks good. then go out a find a bench we need more than Gee, Zeller (pf) we need trade sign for a tough vet center like Zaza Pachulia/Robin Lopez and backup PG/SG Tony Allen and trade our 19th and both 2nd to move up for Steven Adams.

There is something wrong when you take Tayshaun Prince #1 overall.

 

[TyGuy]

Wow porter has gone from being Tayshawn Prince, Kawai Leonard , Caron Butler, Pail pierce, Lebron, to Scottie Pippen.


Lol Scottie Pippen, like really guys? Wow.





If I had to pick one ill take Prince for 500. Has the build, the pedestrian athleticism, the shooting, and he's lightskinnedthen....c'mon.

I never said that he was as talented as pippen and noted in my post that he definitely wasn't on his tier. I just noted that they have a similar tall, long and slender build while also both having similar skill sets. Pippen had two elite skill traits in his elite athleticism and defensive ability which Porter doesn't have.

Let's not get it twisted and say that I believe he is a carbon copy to a hall of famer. That's not what's happening here.



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[Nathan S]

It's totally fine to call Len a Gasol-Nowitzki hybrid, McLemore Ray Allen with elite athleticism, or Oladipo the second coming of Jordan. But don't you dare call Porter a poor man's Scottie Pippen!

 

[shoes22]

It seems like a foregone conclusion that Porter is going to the Wizards, doesn't it?

 

[Revenged25]

It's totally fine to call Len a Gasol-Nowitzki hybrid, McLemore Ray Allen with elite athleticism, or Oladipo the second coming of Jordan. But don't you dare call Porter a poor man's Scottie Pippen!

Don't forget Noel is Kevin Garnett with elite athleticism as well.

 

[Nathan S]

Don't forget Noel is Kevin Garnett with elite athleticism as well.

Sorry, forgot that one. And Bennett is Larry Johnson with elite athleticism (EDIT: or the second coming of Sir Charles, if you prefer). That covers all of the top 6 I think.

 

[Soar]

It's totally fine to call Len a Gasol-Nowitzki hybrid, McLemore Ray Allen with elite athleticism, or Oladipo the second coming of Jordan. But don't you dare call Porter a poor man's Scottie Pippen!

Who the hell is saying that?

 

[MirORich]

We already have two elite level penetrators. I don't understand the obsession with Porter's perceived lack ability to beat his man off the dribble as the death strike against picking him. I feel like more than any top 5 candidate, Porter is bearing the brunt of everyones collective anger that their is not a LeBron, KG, Howard, CP3 type no brainer pick in this draft. I also hate the Tyshaun Prince comparisons because Porter is so much more offensively diverse and advanced than Prince was at Kentucky and while they are both tall and somewhat thin for the SF position, Prince is just awkwardly gangly and Porter is much more smooth.
Just compare there sophomore seasons(also taking into account Prince stuck around 4 years and Porter played in a better basketball conference.)

Porter's 16.2 PPG to Prince's 13.3
Porter 48% from the field to Prince's 42%
Porter 57 steals to Princes 27 steals
Porter 7.5 rpg to Prince's 6.0
Porter 42% from 3 to Prince's 30% from 3
Porter had 47 turnovers to Prince's 64 and Porter was the sole focus of opposing defenses attention for an otherwise offensively deficient Georgetown team.

So if you don't like Porter for the Cavs pick, fine. But please stop with the way offbase "Tayshaun Prince ceiling" comparison because the numbers don't bear that out at all.

 

[Nathan S]

Who the hell is saying that?

You clearly haven't been following the Oladipo thread:

This is mostly a joke; so please don't flame me, just laugh at it This is an excerpt from Wikipedia I can't get out of my head So I translated it from 1984 to 2013, in a scenario similar to the Jordan draft year. At the time everyone knew Jordan was a great player but had no idea he would become the best ever.

Original excerpt;
The 1984 draft class is considered to be one of the best in NBA history as it produced four Hall of Famers and seven All-Stars.[21][22][23][24]However, it was also marked by the Blazers' selection of Sam Bowie, considered one of the biggest draft busts in NBA history.[25][26][27][28][29] It is believed that the Blazers picked Bowie over Michael Jordan because they already had an All Star shooting guard in Jim Paxson and a young shooting guard in Clyde Drexler, whom they drafted in the 1983 Draft.[11][30] Although Drexler went on to have a successful career, Bowie's career was cut short by injuries; he had missed two of the past three seasons in his college career as well.[10]Despite having a 10-year career in the NBA and averaging 10.9 points and 7.5 rebounds per game, Bowie's career was interrupted by five leg surgeries, which limited him to 139 games in 5 years with the Blazers.[31][32]

Edited for fun:
The 2013 draft class is considered to be one of the worst in NBA history (before the draft).[21][22][23][24]However, it was also marked by the Cavaliers' selection of Nerlens Noel, considered one of the biggest draft busts in NBA history.[25][26][27][28][29] It is believed that the Cavs picked Noel over Victor Oladipo because they already had an All Star-caliber shooting guard in Dion Waiters and a young shooting guard in Wayne Ellington, whom they picked up from the Grizzlies the previous year.[11][30] Although Waiters went on to have a successful career, Noel's career was cut short by injuries; he had missed most of his only season in his college career as well.[10]Despite having a 10-year career in the NBA and averaging 10.9 points and 7.5 rebounds per game, Noel’s career was interrupted by five leg surgeries, which limited him to 139 games in 5 years with the Cavaliers.[31][32]

Do we really want to pass on Oladipo and risk drafting the next Bowie? Haha!!! Gotcha thinking, right? Maybe? I'm just having fun with this. Sorry if it pisses anyone off, hehe.

And before someone said "You're seriously comparing Oladipo to Jordan, you're an idiot", I'm only comparing him to pre-NBA Jordan, and slightly at that. And I'm not the first. Look up "Victor Oladipo Michael Jordan" and you'll be surprised, there are several articles about it.

http://dimemag.com/2013/05/nba-draft-could-victor-oladipo-be-the-next-michael-jordan-why-not/
http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2013/02/21/oladipo-jordan-a-fair-comparison/
http://www.mockdrafthq.com/nba/2013/02/victor-oladipo-is-the-next-michael-jordan/
etc.

I doubt he will ever be anywhere close to as good as Jordan but not many are. I guess there's always the potential for him to be a superstar and that's what I think he will turn out to be. If I'm wrong I will gladly eat crow

 

[cavfanintexas]

There is something wrong when you take Tayshaun Prince #1 overall.

why? in his prime he averaged 14 points 5 reb 3 ast shot 46% and 37% from 3's was one of the top def sf was NBA All-Defensive Second Team 4 yrs in a row, a team player that played that gave 100% and played 82 games for 6yr straight. In a weak draft you could do a hell of a lot worse, 2 center playing on one leg, a sg that plays like is mind is somewhere else a pf that is 6'7" with a bad wing. the only other player I like as close is Victor Oladipo.

 

[Soar]

You clearly haven't been following the Oladipo thread:

All I see is someone who loves Oladipo as much as you love Porter. He sees a bit of MJ in Oladipo and you see some Pippen in Porter. Both comparisons are wrong. Your man love for Porter is so great that I almost have to question if you are related to him. I don't see what you see in him. I'm just going to leave it at that.

 

[AZ_]

why? in his prime he averaged 14 points 5 reb 3 ast shot 46% and 37% from 3's was one of the top def sf was NBA All-Defensive Second Team 4 yrs in a row, a team player that played that gave 100% and played 82 games for 6yr straight. In a weak draft you could do a hell of a lot worse, 2 center playing on one leg, a sg that plays like is mind is somewhere else a pf that is 6'7" with a bad wing. the only other player I like as close is Victor Oladipo.

I thoroughly enjoy your blatant exaggeration towards the injuries of Len, Noel and AB. Like these guys are pioneering a new frontier of injury rehabilitation and they run a risk of retirement or something.

When possibly scoring 14 PPG and giving 100 percent effort make your list of why a guy should go number one, he probably shouldn't go number one.

 

[Revenged25]

So people don't want to spend the #1 pick on a Prince like player, but are happy to spend the #1 pick on a Tony Allen like player who is pretty much the same type of player but with less offense than Prince and is not a position of need.

Now if we were debating the merits of Noel/Len vs Porter I can understand, but I just don't see how any debate between Oladipo vs Porter doesn't end up with Porter winning out as his ceiling is at least as high as Victors IMO and he actually fills a need.