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2017-2018 Boston Celtics: No Irving! No Hayward! No Brooklyn Pick!

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Washington is a bigger problem.

Why do people keep bringing up Washington every year like they are going to be legit. I swear I hear it every single year- and then BOOM, nothing. When will people just admit the team as constructed is going nowhere? Beal, Wall, Porter? Gortat?

Should've blown it up years ago.

And no, they are not a bigger problem than the Celtics. Wizards haven't made the Eastern Conference Finals since the 1979 Washington Bullets.....
 
Why do people keep bringing up Washington every year like they are going to be legit. I swear I hear it every single year- and then BOOM, nothing. When will people just admit the team as constructed is going nowhere? Beal, Wall, Porter? Gortat?

Should've blown it up years ago.

And no, they are not a bigger problem than the Celtics. Wizards haven't made the Eastern Conference Finals since the 1979 Washington Bullets.....
You do understand that Celtics/Wizards series went 7, right? And could have gone either way, right? While Boston will be favored to win, and rightfully so, it's not unreasonable at all to think Washington wins that series.

I mean shit, IT won some of those games literally by himself in that series...
 
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Why do people keep bringing up Washington every year like they are going to be legit. I swear I hear it every single year- and then BOOM, nothing. When will people just admit the team as constructed is going nowhere? Beal, Wall, Porter? Gortat?

Should've blown it up years ago.

And no, they are not a bigger problem than the Celtics. Wizards haven't made the Eastern Conference Finals since the 1979 Washington Bullets.....

The Wiz were one Kelly Olynyk explosion from upsetting Boston last year. They wouldn’t have beaten us but Wall and Beal scare me more than anyone besides maybe Giannis. Porter has also really improved a ton. When Markieff Morris is healthy, they have a legit top 5 guys in terms of the EasT. They’re dangerous when they go small with Oubre/Porter/Morris.

They have absolutely no depth/bench though. That is their downfall...once the starters get tired things get really ugly.

They’re a tougher playoff matchup than the Celtics sans-Hayward, IMO. Celtics would have their hands full in a re-match with them. They’re a team where you can’t really hide Kyrie because Porter and Morris are way too big to switch him there, so he’s pretty much stuck on Beal or Wall, both of whom LOVE going right at Kyrie. Beal has shown real post-season chops as well.
 
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I mean shit, IT won one some of those games literally by himself in that series...

If IT is able to single-handedly demolish your team, are you trying to say this is a ringing endorsement?

Kind of just proved my point...
 
The Wiz were one Kelly Olynyk explosion from upsetting Boston last year. They wouldn’t have beaten us but Wall and Beal scare me more than anyone besides maybe Giannis. Porter has also really improved a ton. When Markieff Morris is healthy, they have a legit top 5 guys in terms of the EasT. They’re dangerous when they go small with Ubreigh/Porter/Morris.

They have absolutely no depth/bench though. That is their downfall...once the starters get tired things get really ugly.

They’re a tougher playoff matchup than the Celtics sans-Hayward, IMO. Celtics would have their hands full in a re-match with them. They’re a team where you can’t really hide Kyrie because Porter and Morris are way too big to switch him there, so he’s pretty much stuck on Beal or Wall, both of whom LOVE going right at Kyrie. Beal has shown real post-season chops as well.

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If IT is able to single-handedly demolish your team, are you trying to say this is a ringing endorsement?

Kind of just proved my point...
My point is, he played at an incredibly high level in that series, particularly the first couple games and won those games himself. Can Kyrie do that? Maybe, but we will find out, because the Celtics likely will need it again.
 
And no, they are not a bigger problem than the Celtics. Wizards haven't made the Eastern Conference Finals since the 1979 Washington Bullets.....
What the fuck does that have to do with anything whatsoever?
 
They have absolutely no depth/bench though. That is their downfall...once the starters get tired things get really ugly.

I mean. Their starters are OK and all. But that's just it. I was looking at their roster and besides the starters everyone else is a nobody. Almost reminds me of tanking years for the Cavs. Guys like Samardo Samuels...

How can you win like that? The drop-off is just too big to handle.

I'm sorry but this team is going nowhere, as usual. And Celtics Brown, Irving, Tatum, Horford, Stevens (yes, I throw him in there as leverage). Will beat them in a 7 game series. I'd put money on it.
 
I mean. Their starters are OK and all. But that's just it. I was looking at their roster and besides the starters everyone else is a nobody. Almost reminds me of tanking years for the Cavs. Guys like Samardo Samuels...

How can you win like that? The drop-off is just too big to handle.

I'm sorry but this team is going nowhere, as usual. And Celtics Brown, Irving, Tatum, Horford, Stevens (yes, I throw him in there as leverage). Will beat them in a 7 game series. I'd put money on it.

I don't care if the Celtics will beat them, I care about which team is a harder match-up for Cleveland. And Boston, as constructed w/o Hayward, simply isn't. They'll get obliterated on the glass, again, because that's just what happens to Al Horford.

It means they can't get passed the semi-finals and history fucking proves it, buddy.

I'm sorry guy, it has absolutely zip to do with the team as it is now. How silly.....

I assume you must be factoring in the Larry Bird Celtics to prove they are a contender as well? Silly.
 
Washington is tricky. If they can get a legit backup guard off the bench they’d be scary.

John Wall is the mouthpiece and doesn’t shut up but was nowhere to be found in game 7 a year ago... Bradley Beal however is a scary opponent in a big spot...
 
Cmon guys, I hate what Kyrie did to us. But he deserves to be praised for what he has done, imagine losing the first two games, then suddenly winning the last fourteen games. Number 1 in the East, number 1 overall. Beating Gsw after being down 17 points. WOW. I'm also thinking about the decline in his scoring but to be a able to adjust with his teammates in this early season is a big accomplishment. While here we are 7-6, I was like, LeBron still needs to gel with his new teammates to develop a good chemistry, while Kyries winning 14 in a row with his new team.



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Boston needs additional shooters (Marcus Morris, Jaylen Brown, Horford are shooting the ball well enough to offset Kyrie's struggles yet their FG% is below average). Kyrie %'s will go up once they get more shooters because those guys might be shooting above 37% from deep but they're mostly open because opponents don't respect them thus the paint is packed (poor gravity score).

Another way to look at is his struggles simply might be due to his increased effort on defense impacting his overall efficiency on offense. He looks winded by the 2nd quarter but he's never had the best conditioning (He certainly needs to tweak his diet and fitness to take the next step IMO). I've never seen a star/superstar averaging 31.1 mpg yet looking so tired even though he has multiple ball handlers and an excellent system (more off ball movement could be a factor on offense as well).

The year Curry won his first MVP there were multiple players who had better raw numbers but his shooting splits were amazing AND his team won 67 games. Russ won simply with stats, so Kyrie will have to equal Curry or Rose level of team success while reaching reaching their efficiency.

2014-2015 Curry - 23.8, 7.7, 4.3 ( 48.7, 44.3, 91.4)
2017-2018 Kyrie - 20.3, 5.3, 3.2 ( 42.9, 31.9, 88.1)
2010-2011 Rose - 25.0, 7.7, 4.1 ( 44.5, 33.2, 85.8)

Those numbers are not good enough this year against Harden

2017-2018 Harden - 31.8, 10.1, 4.8 (45.0, 39.8, 86.0)
 
Kyries effort is there defensively but he’s not one of the “better” defensive guards in the NBA. DRPM has him as an overall average defender this year which is still a gigantic leap from last year so he has gotten better let’s just calm down with the “one of the better defensive guards” thing. You don’t hide “one of the better defensive guards” in the league. And make no mistake, Stevens is hiding Kyrie and doing a masterful job of it schematically.

Couple things IBWT;

1) DRPM doesn't really measure a player's "defensive" ability, particularly not perimeter guards. It can act as an indicator to demonstrate trends or other hidden aspects of their effect on lineups, but, it's not saying that Person A is better than Person B because A(drpm)>B(drpm). Doesn't work that way.

You can see this just by doing a sanity check on the current DRPM scale...

Mario Chalmers is not the 4th best perimeter defender in the NBA; James Harden is not the 6th, Lonzo Ball is not the 9th, and Steph Curry is not a better defender than Patrick Beverley or Terry Rozier.

2) You're not "hiding" Kyrie by playing Smart on the point defensively; you're maximizing Smart, who, offensively, is hit and miss to say the least. His value in the lineup is precisely defense; so why would you stick him on the least threatening perimeter player and tire out Kyrie on the other end? Would make no sense unless your goal was to try and force the issue rather than win games.
 
Jeff Teague I mean kyrie Irving has done great job with his hawks I mean Celtics in this winning streak
 

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