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kosis said:
I always felt this was a weird criticism, because a movie being a technical achievement, well-acted, well shot, etc... is more or less an objective thing. Of course you can have subjective tiers and whatnot, but what is the logic of nominating Ben Affleck over Daniel Day Lewis, for example, just because more people saw Batman than did Phantom Thread? No one said these award shows were popularity contests, so I don't see the conflict.
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I went to go see The Phantom Thread in theaters on your recommendation. I thought the movie was terrible.

:chuckle: (seriously, that movie was shit)

But to @KI4MVP 's point, Phantom Thread has a very limited appeal, and it's almost like snobbery to suggest that it's in a different tier of films than a well-acted, well-shot blockbuster movie. Perhaps that wouldn't be Batman, because no recent Batman film has warranted such acclaim.

But if you put up The Dark Knight versus The Phantom Thread, then I think you could argue that Lewis' acting in this movie wasn't on the same level as say Heath Ledger (who actually did win, but likely only because the award was given posthumously).

That being said, history looks back on the 2009 Academy Awards and when you think about the nominees, it's almost ridiculous:

Frost/Nixon (a good movie, but Best Picture? gtfoh)
The Reader
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
Milk
Slumdog Millionaire.

But... The Dark Knight, perhaps Nolan's best film, is not even nominated?

It's a farce. TDK was the best picture, technically or otherwise, released in 2009. Period. And yet it wasn't even nominated. Why? Because it was considered beneath the award - even though millions of people would disagree, the Academy thought so.

That's snobbery. And yeah, I agree with @KI4MVP, it's bullshit.
 
gourimoko said:
I went to go see The Phantom Thread in theaters on your recommendation. I thought the movie was terrible.

:chuckle: (seriously, that movie was shit)

But to @KI4MVP 's point, Phantom Thread has a very limited appeal, and it's almost like snobbery to suggest that it's in a different tier of films than a well-acted, well-shot blockbuster movie. Perhaps that wouldn't be Batman, because no recent Batman film has warranted such acclaim.

But if you put up The Dark Knight versus The Phantom Thread, then I think you could argue that Lewis' acting in this movie wasn't on the same level as say Heath Ledger (who actually did win, but likely only because the award was given posthumously).

That being said, history looks back on the 2009 Academy Awards and when you think about the nominees, it's almost ridiculous:

Frost/Nixon (a good movie, but Best Picture? gtfoh)
The Reader
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
Milk
Slumdog Millionaire.

But... The Dark Knight, perhaps Nolan's best film, is not even nominated?

It's a farce. TDK was the best picture, technically or otherwise, released in 2009. Period. And yet it wasn't even nominated. Why? Because it was considered beneath the award - even though millions of people would disagree, the Academy thought so.

That's snobbery. And yeah, I agree with @KI4MVP, it's bullshit.
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Bill Maher disagrees!


Seriously though, one would have thought ROTK’s victory in 2004 (Two Towers was better) would have taught the Academy something.
 
gourimoko said:
I went to go see The Phantom Thread in theaters on your recommendation. I thought the movie was terrible.

:chuckle: (seriously, that movie was shit)

But to @KI4MVP 's point, Phantom Thread has a very limited appeal, and it's almost like snobbery to suggest that it's in a different tier of films than a well-acted, well-shot blockbuster movie. Perhaps that wouldn't be Batman, because no recent Batman film has warranted such acclaim.

But if you put up The Dark Knight versus The Phantom Thread, then I think you could argue that Lewis' acting in this movie wasn't on the same level as say Heath Ledger (who actually did win, but likely only because the award was given posthumously).

That being said, history looks back on the 2009 Academy Awards and when you think about the nominees, it's almost ridiculous:

Frost/Nixon (a good movie, but Best Picture? gtfoh)
The Reader
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
Milk
Slumdog Millionaire.

But... The Dark Knight, perhaps Nolan's best film, is not even nominated?

It's a farce. TDK was the best picture, technically or otherwise, released in 2009. Period. And yet it wasn't even nominated. Why? Because it was considered beneath the award - even though millions of people would disagree, the Academy thought so.

That's snobbery. And yeah, I agree with @KI4MVP, it's bullshit.
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I want to like this because I absolutely agree about The Dark Knight. It was the best movie that year and absolutely should have won... But you had to go and demean The Phantom Thread. Damnit, man.
 
BMAN said:
Speaking of DC, finally watched Wonder Woman. Overhyped as fuck.

Also finally watched Three Billboards, that was honestly one the best movies I’ve watched in a while. Sam Rockwell is the shit.
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My 17 year old daughter said Wonder Woman is the best movie she's seen.

And yes, Three Billboards is great.
 
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