Cavs Trade Deadline (discussion)

Yeah the Dwight thing sucks but hey maybe the Cavs can help a facilitate a trade between NJ and Orlando next deadline when he's finally dealt. I can't help but feel we will be sitting here next year in the same position talking about Dwight.

Overall I think Grant did really well considering the circumstances. He parlayed Sessions into future assets which is what we all wanted. It would've been nice to do something with Antawn but his contract was so massive and there weren't enough teams looking to shed salary with the new amnesty clause in play. I can't even fault him for not moving an injured Andy.

Triumph36 said:

so the Cavs just paid $6M for a late 1st when they are usually sold for $3M. lol.
jamison is still wearing a cavs uniform. lol.
nets traded a lottery pick for gerald wallace. lol.
nuggets traded an overpaid nene for a retard who will also be overpaid. lol.
howard decided to spend another year of his prime in orl where he has almost no chance to win a title. lol.

lotsa laughing about deals today

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I swear dude. You are never happy about anything that the Cavs do or don't do. If you're so smart, go be a GM.

The whole "You can just buy a draft pick for $3M" thing is so incorrect. You have to have a team WILLING to sell one. They just don't go up for auction every year. If that was true, then the multiple years the Cavs didn't have picks, believe me Dan Gilbert would have likely bought one. This is looking like a decent draft too, which means that the first round selections are a little bit more of a premium this year.

Luke Walton's contract is also an asset when you have an owner willing to take on bad contract for future/additional assets. So is the ability to move up in the draft next year. What if the Lakers are a lottery team next year? I'm not talking bottom three in the NBA, but finish 9th in the West?

Triumph36 said:

so the Cavs just paid $6M for a late 1st when they are usually sold for $3M. lol.

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Cavs had cash to purchase picks the last 2 years, how did that work out?

Add the fact that Walton could be traded in another deal, assuming he's not bought out (a buy out might make me look at this a bit differently).

I can't believe the Nets traded that pick for Wallace. Guess they're trying to sneak in the 8th seed.

SmknJoe7 said:

I'm sorry....is Danny Ferry still running this FO?

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No...but his protege is. And Grant was involved in that draft.

InBoobieWeTrust said:

The Cavs took a shot in the late first round(the LAST pick of the first round) at an uber-athletic home-run or strikeout type of prospect.

Plus, the Cavaliers did not need more "role players". I find that assertion laughable. The Cavs were missing something in the LeBron era, but it certainly wasn't a lack of "role players". We were already super deep at the time.

Missing on the 30th pick in the draft is hardly an egregious offense. There's a reason the Cavs are looking to add as many at-bats as possible, it's because there is a higher element of risk the later in the draft you get. I think you're being quite unreasonable here, to be honest.

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Sorry, but I disagree.

Finding those solid players late in the first round is key to keeping talent around your stars. Even if those players don't make immediate contributions, they can learn from vets and transition to the NBA. Sometimes as the year comes to a close, they step up and contribute....and allow you to not have to make desperate trades like the one for Jamison.


On top of that, I'm supposed to be "excited" that the Cavs added a late first round pick today?

Sorry, but I actually KNOW the Cavs history with these picks, so that puts a "Debbie Downer"-esque damper on it for me.




The Cavs either completely MISS on these picks....or when they do find a decent player, he flourishes for another team - Boozer, Shannon Brown, Danny Green.

Like I said, it's not a bad deal...

The fact Eyenga is in it just makes me remember how BAD that move worked out.

Triumph36 said:

so the Cavs just paid $6M for a late 1st when they are usually sold for $3M. lol.
jamison is still wearing a cavs uniform. lol.
nets traded a lottery pick for gerald wallace. lol.
nuggets traded an overpaid nene for a retard who will also be overpaid. lol.
howard decided to spend another year of his prime in orl where he has almost no chance to win a title. lol.

lotsa laughing about deals today

eta: forgot one!

clips traded for another chucker when they sorely need defense. lol.

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Not in this upcoming draft

Trade was aight, woulda been nice to not have to take Walton but whatever.

AMC said:

Love the trade.

That option to swap picks with the Lakers next year is perfect timing. Howard is staying with the Magic, and Deron will stay with Nets or go to Dallas. The Lakers can basically only get a very tiny bit better, or get worse.

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With Grant's luck, the Lakers will get into the lottery and win it. Noel 2013!

Triumph36 said:

so the Cavs just paid $6M for a late 1st when they are usually sold for $3M. lol.
jamison is still wearing a cavs uniform. lol.
nets traded a lottery pick for gerald wallace. lol.
nuggets traded an overpaid nene for a retard who will also be overpaid. lol.
howard decided to spend another year of his prime in orl where he has almost no chance to win a title. lol.

lotsa laughing about deals today

eta: forgot one!

clips traded for another chucker when they sorely need defense. lol.

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Great way of summing it up....

Lots of people shaking their heads today....

The Nets deal was the worst...

If they don't land in the top 3 the Blazers will get that pick!

The #4 pick for Gerald Wallace....? In a deep draft?

Billy King strikes AGAIN!!!! Lots of NBA GM's glad that idiot has a job....makes their jobs easy.

Sw33tL0u said:

Finding those solid players late in the first round is key to keeping talent around your stars. Even if those players don't make immediate contributions, they can learn from vets and transition to the NBA. Sometimes as the year comes to a close, they step up and contribute....and allow you to not have to make desperate trades like the one for Jamison.

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Yes, I agree, but you have to accept that there is going to be both good and bad when dealing with picks that late, and that holds true for any franchise /GM no matter how good or bad.

Sw33tL0u said:

The deal itself isn't horrible considering the possibility of swapping picks.

But LOST in all of this is the complete FAILURE of the Christian Eyenga pick...a pick many people here defended.

The fact is the Cavs drafted a guy who was struggling on Ricky Rubio's JV team.

At at time when they needed role players to put around LeBron James, they took some JV player...even with guys like Dajuan Blair, Sam Young, Dante Cunningham, Marcus Thornton, Chase Budinger, and Jonas Jerebko still on the board.

Sorry, but it doesn't put me at ease as the Cavs move forward knowing the history the guy's running this team have.

What value is this extra 1st round pick if they just continue to make these mistakes?

I know some people are going to HATE me for being pessimistic on a day like today...sorry.

The Eyenga pick was garbage and everyone forgets about it now that he is gone as part of a deal where the Cavs basically gave away a guy who was playing well and fit their system.

At best, this is an average deal for the Cavs....and when you figure in the failure of the Eyenga "Era" into the equation, it makes me want to vomit.

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Fair enough. Getting a lower first round draft pick is only a good deal if your team is capable of finding good players. It's a heck of a lot easier to draft when you pick first. In Eyenga's case, they apparently figured they were buying a lottery ticket (high risk, high reward). He could have been a bust or he could have been a diamond in the rough who flourished under NBA training. Didn't happen, in part according to some reports because he lacks the necessary work ethic. So, lesson learned that draft picks are risky and it's even riskier when you try to outsmart everyone.

Having said that, it doesn't change the fair market value of draft picks. This was what it cost this year to get one. Perhaps we could have gotten one a little cheaper, but we paid 28 games of our backup PG, plus 5-6 million to get a first plus a potential move-up next year of 6-8 spots.

It also doesn't mean this was a bad deal to trade Sessions for a draft pick instead of a player. Trading for players (and Walton and Kapono are cap fillers, not actual players) is risky too because you are often taking someone else's garbage. Plus, you have them for less time than a draft pick unless they have a long-term contract, which is risky too because more often than not the player's contract outlines his usefulness. The Cavs appear to be stockpiling draft picks because they believe they will get better players, they will be able to mold those players into the team they desire, and because they can get them at lower cost. Free agents won't come here at anything less than a premium, so I fully understand that strategy is off the table.

When was the last time a team traded the pick straight up (or pretty much straight up for cash)?
Seriously, if it's just 3 million as Hollinger recites, then I have a hard time imagining Gilbert wouldn't have spend that kind of dough if these types of deals really are available.

FYI: this doesn't change the fact that even if these deals were available in the past they won't necessarily be available in this year's draft . In addition, somebody mentioned you can only buy one draft pick per year under the new CBA: if this is true this allows us in a way to circumvent this rule if a team does want to just straight up deal a pick for cash this year.

Gymbo said:

I swear dude. You are never happy about anything that the Cavs do or don't do. If you're so smart, go be a GM.

The whole "You can just buy a draft pick for $3M" thing is so incorrect. You have to have a team WILLING to sell one. They just don't go up for auction every year. If that was true, then the multiple years the Cavs didn't have picks, believe me Dan Gilbert would have likely bought one. This is looking like a decent draft too, which means that the first round selections are a little bit more of a premium this year.

Luke Walton's contract is also an asset when you have an owner willing to take on bad contract for future/additional assets. So is the ability to move up in the draft next year. What if the Lakers are a lottery team next year? I'm not talking bottom three in the NBA, but finish 9th in the West?

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2010: 25th sold to Dallas, 31st sold to OKC
2009: 29th sold to NYK, 32nd sold to HOU, 34th sold to HOU
2008: 27th sold to POR, 34th for cash and worthless 2nds

Was mostly laughing about how people will blindly praise Grant no matter what. He could've passed on participating in deadline day altogether and people would still be praising him and calling him a genius.

Not moving Jamison was dumb too, but I'll wait to really bash Grant until he isn't bought out.

But no matter how dumb overpaying for a 1st and not moving a worthless vet with no future value is, it is not as dumb as trading expirings plus a guaranteed lottery pick for Gerald Wallace. My lord. At this point I hope Deron goes to Dallas.

edit: almost forgot. do you really think there is any chance the Lakers will miss the playoffs? esp when firing brown is decently likely? come on now.

InBoobieWeTrust said:

Yes, I agree, but you have to accept that there is going to be both good and bad when dealing with picks that late, and that holds true for any franchise /GM no matter how good or bad.

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I know....like I said, I am a little emotional....

The trade itself is okay...only okay...but I think you have to figure in the Eyenga failure, even if it was late 1st...because it was a late first in a deep draft, like the one coming up and the one we just traded for.

I just can't seperate the two.

The Eyenga fiasco is over. Shame we could have drafted someone who could actually play.

I'm sure Luke Walton in wine and gold will cheer me up.....

At least we got lucky and got Kyrie....thank god for that.

Alright...now I feel better!

Sw33tL0u said:

Great way of summing it up....

Lots of people shaking their heads today....

The Nets deal was the worst...

If they don't land in the top 3 the Blazers will get that pick!

The #4 pick for Gerald Wallace....? In a deep draft?

Billy King strikes AGAIN!!!! Lots of NBA GM's glad that idiot has a job....makes their jobs easy.

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Lol wish we could have got that pick. Dwight really screwed us by signing into his ETO. If he hadn't the Nets may have been really desperate to ditch salary for next year. We could have helped them clear an additional 17 million by giving the Jamison. Fuck Dwight.