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Hue da Man - PC bulletpoints in OP here, discussion in Hue Jackson thread

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The Oi said:
Would be interested to hear Dalton speak on what Hue helped him change, if in fact it was Hue.

One big change is that he made fewer bad throws.
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By all accounts, Dalton has embraced the transition from the far more relaxed Gruden, his coordinator during his first three seasons in Cincinnati, to Jackson, whose coaching style is about as subtle as a Blake Griffin dunk. Shortly after Jackson was promoted from the position of running backs coach in the wake of Gruden's departure, he placed a phone call to Dalton, and an immediate alliance was formed.

Recalls Dalton: "The first thing he said was, 'You're my guy. We're gonna do this thing together. You're the guy that's gonna take us to where we want to go.' It's exactly what I wanted to hear, and exactly what this team needs. You want to know, from the top down, that they've got your back."

In the same conversation, Jackson told Dalton that "things will be different. We have to be better. And I'm going to coach you hard. If you'll allow me to push you, we can get to where we both want to go." Dalton, the coach recalls, "was receptive. He didn't even blink. He said, 'Coach, let's go.' I'm very proud of the fact that he's allowing me to coach him. He wants to be great."
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...and-hue-jackson-cincinnati-bengals-odd-couple

"Andy definitely seems different," says Jones, a fifth-round draft pick in 2012 who had 10 touchdown catches among his 51 receptions last season. "He's really taken this offensive tempo and the aggression of Coach Jackson and he's running with it. He's slinging the ball with a lot of velocity and he's confident in it."
 
Tornicade said:
By all accounts, Dalton has embraced the transition from the far more relaxed Gruden, his coordinator during his first three seasons in Cincinnati, to Jackson, whose coaching style is about as subtle as a Blake Griffin dunk. Shortly after Jackson was promoted from the position of running backs coach in the wake of Gruden's departure, he placed a phone call to Dalton, and an immediate alliance was formed.

Recalls Dalton: "The first thing he said was, 'You're my guy. We're gonna do this thing together. You're the guy that's gonna take us to where we want to go.' It's exactly what I wanted to hear, and exactly what this team needs. You want to know, from the top down, that they've got your back."

In the same conversation, Jackson told Dalton that "things will be different. We have to be better. And I'm going to coach you hard. If you'll allow me to push you, we can get to where we both want to go." Dalton, the coach recalls, "was receptive. He didn't even blink. He said, 'Coach, let's go.' I'm very proud of the fact that he's allowing me to coach him. He wants to be great."
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...and-hue-jackson-cincinnati-bengals-odd-couple

"Andy definitely seems different," says Jones, a fifth-round draft pick in 2012 who had 10 touchdown catches among his 51 receptions last season. "He's really taken this offensive tempo and the aggression of Coach Jackson and he's running with it. He's slinging the ball with a lot of velocity and he's confident in it."
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I'm sold.

(1) Get a QB.

(2) Get a guy who knows how to coach QB's

(3) Profit


Get this guy and draft Goffsling.
 
Have to say, reading all these Jackson quotes and watching his locker room speeches and shit make me want to run thru a brick wall for the guy... that's gotta count for something
 
Randolphkeys said:
Zombie Al also took the plunge trading a HUGE haul of 1st rounders for Carson Palmer, Hue's hand-picked QB. The problem was, Palmer had been a holdout and not in football shape, refusing to play for the hapless Bengals franchise.
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Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but didn't Hue make the Palmer trade on his own after Zombie Al died. I seem to remember Hue more or less became the defacto GM on top of being the coach once Al passed.

Edit: Wiki says Al died October 8, 2011 and the Palmer trade didn't happen until October 19th.
 
I have been a little nervous about drafting a QB early if we did not hire the right coach. If he is the guy, you let him pick his QB and we get this thing turned around. I think he is someone that would be a great hire to develp a young QB, and I think it no nonsense attitude would resound with the vets on the team, mainly Mack and Thomas. The only way a new QB has a chance is if we can keep both of them.
 
Randolphkeys said:
Remember that the reason Hue made the jump from college football to the pros was Palmer.
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I don't think this is true. Hue's last year as OC at USC was in 2000. Palmer wasn't drafted until 2003. It would appear HUe was let go along with Paul Hackett who was fired in 2000. Hue has been in the NFL ever since.
 
If we're going the offensive coordinator route, Jackson is the guy. I'm just not sold on offense being the problem.

Our defense is/was an absolute shambles, despite some talent. It horribly underperformed, and desperatively needs to be completely revamped by a respected and capable defensive mind.

On the Flip side, McCown to play about as well as he ever has, despite the lack of talent at WR, and despite losing the OL coach early on. He even got Manziel to look like a real QB for a bit before he self destructed. And he turned a career journeyman TE into a legit Pro Bowl contender. Considering that Flip was a rookie OC, that impressed me.

I hope I'm wrong, but even if Hue keeps Flip, I think bringing in a new offensive-minded HC is likely going to mean yet another rescheme for the offense, when I think what is needed is continuity. And Hue is unlikely to be able to bring in a DC as good as the DC's we're considering for HC.

I like Hue. I'm just not sure the offensive coordinator route is the best one for this team.
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
If we're going the offensive coordinator route, Jackson is the guy. I'm just not sold on offense being the problem.

Our defense is/was an absolute shambles, despite some talent. It horribly underperformed.

But Flip managed to get McCown to play about as well as he ever has, despite the lack of talent at WR, and despite losing the OL coach early on. He even got Manziel to look like a real QB for a bit before he self destructed. And he turned a career journeyman TE into a legit Pro Bowl contender. Considering that Flip was a rookie OC, that impressed me.

I hope I'm wrong, but even if Hue keeps Flip, I think bringing in a new offensive-minded HC is likely going to mean yet another rescheme for the offense. And Hue is unlikely to be able to bring in a DC as good as the DC's we're considering for HC.

I like Hue. I'm just not sure the offensive coordinator ator route is the best one for this team.
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I agree that the defense is in shambles, but to be fair we just went the defensive coordinator HC route and the result was the garbage defense we saw. Hue will need a good defensive coordinator, but I think he would be able to put together a staff significantly better than Pettine was able to as he is well respected in the league and one of the top HC candidates. The only thing Pettine was worse at than coaching was finding a staff. So even though he was a defensive guy, our defense was awful.

I'd rather have someone who is a bright guy who buys in, and is able to assemble a good staff. I think Hue would be able to assemble a good staff, but I'm not the one interviewing him. I'm sure it was something that was discussed in his interview.
 
The Wizard of Moz said:
I agree that the defense is in shambles, but to be fair we just went the defensive coordinator HC route and the result was the garbage defense we saw. Hue will need a good defensive coordinator, but I think he would be able to put together a staff significantly better than Pettine was able to as he is well respected in the league and one of the top HC candidates. The only thing Pettine was worse at than coaching was finding a staff. So even though he was a defensive guy, our defense was awful.

I'd rather have someone who is a bright guy who buys in, and is able to assemble a good staff. I think Hue would be able to assemble a good staff, but I'm not the one interviewing him. I'm sure it was something that was discussed in his interview.
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I was thinking about this the other day. I wish there was a way to see the success of an NFL coach based on his job prior to getting his head coaching job. Are offensive coordinator canidates more successful than defensive? Are people who skip from position to head coach equally as successful? What position coach makes the best defensive/offensive coordinators?

Food for thought.
 
DJTJ said:
I was thinking about this the other day. I wish there was a way to see the success of an NFL coach based on his job prior to getting his head coaching job. Are offensive coordinator canidates more successful than defensive? Are people who skip from position to head coach equally as successful? What position coach makes the best defensive/offensive coordinators?

Food for thought.
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I'd really be interested in looking at this stat over the past 10-15 years. I'm sure that stat is out there, and it does not have perfect explanatory value, but it would still be interesting.
 
Pick6 said:
I don't think this is true. Hue's last year as OC at USC was in 2000. Palmer wasn't drafted until 2003. It would appear HUe was let go along with Paul Hackett who was fired in 2000. Hue has been in the NFL ever since.
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I'm going off memory here, I remember listening to sports radio and reading articles around this time and I based my posts on that info. There was some connection between them, but I'm going off whay I remember from 4 years ago.

CBBI said:
Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but didn't Hue make the Palmer trade on his own after Zombie Al died. I seem to remember Hue more or less became the defacto GM on top of being the coach once Al passed.

Edit: Wiki says Al died October 8, 2011 and the Palmer trade didn't happen until October 19th.
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That time line was helpful. I do know Mark Davis pulled the plug in the offseason directly after the trade. That was a huge mistake by a new and impatient owner.
 
Can't wait until we hire Hue Jackson so the sound guys at the stadium just play "The Heart of Rock & Roll" on repeat.
 
The Wizard of Moz said:
I agree that the defense is in shambles, but to be fair we just went the defensive coordinator HC route and the result was the garbage defense we saw. Hue will need a good defensive coordinator, but I think he would be able to put together a staff significantly better than Pettine was able to as he is well respected in the league and one of the top HC candidates.
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The problem wasn't getting a defensive HC -- it was getting the wrong one who let his incompetent buddy run the defense. Perhaps Hue could put together a better staff. But he's still limited to either 1) position coaches, or 2) recently fired DC's who weren't good enough to get an HC gig. He can't do a lateral hire, so he can't bring in a DC with proven success.

So again, the oods of bringing in a good defensive mind is simply greater if you're bringing in a successful DC as HC. It's still not guaranteed to work (nothing is), but the odds are just better.

And again, I think this franchise badly needs at least some continuity. Hate to see Flip go after what was a comparatively good year for a rookie HC with no proven QB and crappy WR's. The way I see it, he's very likely to get better. And that continuity may persuade some guys who are on the fence -- like Thomas -- to stick around.
 
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