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I think there are probably 20 MPG to play Rondo during the regular reason --- especially while JR Smith is out.

Come playoffs, you never know what is going to happen. The playoffs test teams in unforeseen ways -- and maybe Rondo provides an answer to Lowry or Curry in a way that Irving/Smith can't.

Also, we get crushed in those 8 MPG that LBJ isn't in a finals game. We need to do something there -- even it's only a few minutes.

BimboColesHair said:

Why wouldn't he?

You said it yourself, he's a smart guy...if he comes here in the 1st place, he knows what he's getting himself into.

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You could say the same thing about the Bulls. Rondo is a headcase, we all know that; hell he knows that and embraces it.

BimboColesHair said:

But he'd also have half of a regular season to prove he can a) play a role for a good team over the course of a regular season and b) run a championship quality team.

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He had the past several months to do that with Wade and Jimmy Butler and worked himself out of the rotation... completely..

Not sure why that would work out differently here.

gourimoko said:

If Rondo gets 25 MPG in the regular season, you're going to just rip him out of the rotation come the playoffs? And everything will just work?

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I don't know. My guess is he can still log meaningful minutes in the playoffs (near 20) until it dwindles to near 10 in the finals should we face GS.

gourimoko said:

You could say the same thing about the Bulls. Rondo is a headcase, we all know that; hell he knows that and embraces it.



He had the past several months to do that with Wade and Jimmy Butler and worked himself out of the rotation... completely..

Not sure why that would work out differently here.

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And, as I mentioned to you before...there's a bit of a difference between backing up/being benched for Michael Carter-Williams and Jerian Grant on the Bulls than there is backing up Kyrie on the Cavs...just a slight one...

And everyone saw him not working on the Bulls the second him and Wade went there...not his fault they constructed a terrible guard rotation to play him in...and who would be the odd man out between Butler, Wade, and Rondo anywhere they went?...

Put him in a bench lineup with Dunleavy, Love, Frye and let him walk to the rim or find shooters, like he is supposed to do.

BimboColesHair said:

And, as I mentioned to you before...there's a bit of a difference between backing up/being benched for Michael Carter-Williams and Jerian Grant on the Bulls than there is backing up Kyrie on the Cavs...just a slight one...

And everyone saw him not working on the Bulls the second him and Wade went there...not his fault they constructed a terrible guard rotation to play him in...and who would be the odd man out between Butler, Wade, and Rondo anywhere they went?...

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To be honest Bimbo, I see a 0% chance of Rondo coming to Cleveland so I'm not really going to get worked up over it. I've said my peace on the matter and I think you understand what my concerns are. I really do not think Rondo on Cleveland makes sense, but, if you do, well, I can respect that.

Lord Mar said:

I don't know. My guess is he can still log meaningful minutes in the playoffs (near 20) until it dwindles to near 10 in the finals should we face GS.

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Yea, I just happen to think it's not worth the risk of dealing with such a disruptive and toxic presence.

gourimoko said:

To be honest Bimbo, I see a 0% chance of Rondo coming to Cleveland so I'm not really going to get worked up over it. I've said my peace on the matter and I think you understand what my concerns are. I really do not think Rondo on Cleveland makes sense, but, if you do, well, I can respect that.

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I think anyone who can handle the basketball, limit LBJ and Kyrie's regular season minutes, and run an offense without looking like what we have had to watch from Shumpert/Liggins/McRae/Felder to this point makes sense...it being Rondo is just because he appears to be the best option for that who could potentially be had for a vet minimum...not sold on the guys coming back from injuries, just because we don't know if they can play or not, and no one else has been mentioned to this point.

My want isn't exclusively Rondo...just someone who can run a bench unit so LeBron doesn't have to.

Walter White said:

Love the idea. But I don't think we could get Dudley without moving Dunleavy. Our TPE isn't big enough to absorb him. But that is not a problem. Dunleavy isn't providing anything and will probably get traded anyway imo.


As far as Bogut, it sounds good, but combine the fact if we even want him, with the question if Bogut would even want to come here if we did.... it might be a long shot.

Buyout season is sure fun though. Never know who might become available.

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Fair point. Dunleavy definitely isn't providing much. Neither are Mo and Birdman. Somehow getting rid of all 3 at the same time would be glorious.

As far as Bogut wanting to play here is concerned, if he wants to play on a team that has a chance at a championship where he won't actually wreck his body and allow for longevity, we're the team. Houston is an option, but if I were a giant who wanted to get to the finals in the path of least resistance I'd choose the East. The top level teams are just too tough in the West. If the playoffs started today, Houston would play OKC. LA would play Utah. San Antonio would play Memphis. I wouldn't want to play against any of those teams. So if you eliminate the entire Western conference, you're left with the EC. Now, if I were being polite, I'd say there are 3 teams in the East that have a chance of making the finals. But I'm not being polite and unless something insane happens, we're going to face Golden State in the finals for a 3rd straight time.

Big thing here is if he provides quality minutes in the NBA finals at his age, dude is going to get PAID. I'm sure RJ even at his age would have gotten a much higher contract after his finals performance, if he shopped himself around. We can provide a stage for him, but he has to not suck. Again, looking like ass on a bad team is worse than sitting on the bench of a good one.

BimboColesHair said:

Why wouldn't he?

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Because he wants to play. He wants to have a meaningful role.

You said it yourself, he's a smart guy...if he comes here in the 1st place, he knows what he's getting himself into.

But he'd also have half of a regular season to prove he can a) play a role for a good team over the course of a regular season and b) run a championship quality team.

You think him having fallouts with 2 teams in 3 years, eating a buyout, then going to a shitty team just to rack up minutes is going to re-up his value on the market more than that? Cause I don't...and he's probably smart enough to realize that.

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If those are his only two options, I agree with you. But the ideal option for him would be a good team that gives him more minutes with a more important role. I think that is something that could still happen for him.

I would take Rondo if it wasn't for his polarizing attitude. I just think the guy has serious mental problems that just drags others around him down. I mean, he doesn't get along with anyone! Ever! He was a problem child, even going back to Boston before he was worth a damn.

He was the guy everyone was always butting heads with. I know LeBron can do a lot with many guys, but I think Rondo is one of those guys that I think is virtually unreachable.

I'm not trying to poke fun either, but I think Rondo has some kind of personality disorder. I am not saying he's bipolar, but he is what he is. After all this time, I don't see anything changing with him.

A firm pass. Do not want. I get the need to want to shore up depth, just not sure it's worth taking a chance on a guy that's worn out his welcome, fast, everywhere he goes.

Lord Mar said:

I don't know. My guess is he can still log meaningful minutes in the playoffs (near 20) until it dwindles to near 10 in the finals should we face GS.

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Where are we going to find 20 mpg in the playoffs for a 6'1" backup PG that can't shoot on this team?

Delly played 12 last year. Mo played 5. They didn't even play 20 minutes combined.

Lord Mar said:

He's running the 2nd unit and/or guarding Curry/Livingston, much like Delly.

Let me ask you..... Whose departure has hurt us more this year, Delly or Moz? Now you know why @Los216 is talking himself into the idea...

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I think the one thing everyone has in mind or has stated is we have a bunch of non-toxic locker room guys that genuinely like each other. But on a negative note, we have JR and Shump and I feel like they would get into it with Rondo. If LeBron, Frye, RJ and JJ can find a way to keep the locker room and team chemistry at a good level, I'm all for Rondo coming here. On the court, he's still very skilled and if mentally right would provide a ton of depth as well as composure to the bench where you'd be comfortable resting Kyrie and LeBron at the same time (then throw a ton of shooters around Rondo. Think about Rondo/JR/RJ[or hopefully a 3 and D guy we sign]/Love/Frye as a lineup). It would have to be a conditional signing with Rondo agreeing not to start shit or suffer the consequences. At this point, I just don't trust him though. But winning does cure everything. Unless you're named Dion Ayyyeeeters.

Rob said:

Because he wants to play. He wants to have a meaningful role.


If those are his only two options, I agree with you. But the ideal option for him would be a good team that gives him more minutes with a more important role. I think that is something that could still happen for him.

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And he would here...just it would be lessened a bit in the playoffs...his problem in Chicago right now isn't that he is benched...it's that he's not playing period for stretches at a time, and who he is being benched for. They chose to go the youth route over him.

Also, I'd be surprised if a good team picks him up in the middle of a season with what's happened in 2 of his last 3 stops...why I think those will be his only 2 options.

BimboColesHair said:

And he would here...just it would be lessened a bit in the playoffs

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A bit is putting it nicely. His minutes would be cut in half, probably. At least.

BimboColesHair said:

Also, I'd be surprised if a good team picks him up in the middle of a season with what's happened in 2 of his last 3 stops...why I think those will be his only 2 options.

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We'll see.

I just don't see him accepting the role of regular season mercenary.

gourimoko said:

But the whole reason we let Delly go was because he was totally unneeded against the Warriors. Once we realized it was Kyrie or Bust, then Delly served no purpose. Moreover, I don't think the second unit will get much burn against the Warriors this year, just like they didn't last year. James and Irving will both average around 41 MPG.



I'm not sure what you mean by this? More than what? Delly's departure hurts us in the regular season, as does Mozgov's. I've said repeatedly that we should've kept both and traded them prior to the deadline. Delly should've been signed the year prior, but even his $9M deal this year was fine -- the whole "saving money" thing was overblown given we signed shitty ass Dunleavy - which, if you go back, I was adamantly against.



No, I really don't.

It's not a regular season game. Delly was garbage against the Warriors last season. And Rondo can't be trusted to do anything in the regular season, let alone in the playoffs. I'm not sure why we would have this clown in our locker room?

But hey, I get it's fun to talk about....

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To be fair to Delly, I think the injury he sustained against Detroit affected him in The Finals. He wasn't close to the same player as he was the prior calendar year. I'll never believe Mo and Dahntay were deployed in those crucial games over a healthy Delly.

Delly fit incredibly well and had tremendous chemistry with LeBron and Tristan, among others. I understood the decision not to match Delly (and still do) but it's certainly having an impact right now.

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