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@AZ_ what do you know about Jae-gyun Hwang?

How did he compare with Jung-ho Kang in the KBO?

If they are still looking at "corner IFs" like Rosenthal said yesterday, I wonder if they are showing interest in him, considering it came out today that he'd be willing to sign a split contract just to try to play in the MLB...
 
@AZ_ what do you know about Jae-gyun Hwang?

How did he compare with Jung-ho Kang in the KBO?

If they are still looking at "corner IFs" like Rosenthal said yesterday, I wonder if they are showing interest in him, considering it came out today that he'd be willing to sign a split contract just to try to play in the MLB...

I know literally nothing about him, to be honest. Never have seen him, unfortunately.

Really sleeping on my KBO knowledge this year.
 
I know literally nothing about him, to be honest. Never have seen him, unfortunately.

Really sleeping on my KBO knowledge this year.

Letting me down man...

All I can tell from YouTube is that he has a mean bat flip...but baseball highlights are probably the most meaningless highlights in sports, so I have no clue.

But last season went .330/.391/.558 with 26 HR, 22 2B, 24 SB, 47 BB to 64 K...not sure how KBO numbers translate over to MLB success, but I'd rather toss him a contract than all the other "corner IF" names left, should we go down that route...especially with him willing to be paid like a minor leaguer.
 
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Jae-Gyun Hwang could be Korea’s next position-player import

By Sung Min Kim
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osted on October 24, 2016


During the past two seasons, the Korea Baseball Organization (KBO) has produced three positional talents now in MLB: Jung Ho Kang (Pirates), Hyun Soo Kim (Orioles) and Byung Ho Park (Twins). They were all signed to what could be considered a “below-market value” deal (Kim for $7 million/two years, Kang for $11 million/four years) and more often than not, they have outperformed their contracts.

One positional player that is garnering MLB interest out of Korea this year is third baseman Jae-Gyun Hwang from the Lotte Giants. Several teams have kept close tabs on him this season. Hwang, who turned 29 in July, has been the starting third baseman for the Giants since he arrived via a trade in 2010. He was previously posted by the club this previous offseason but was unable to draw a bid. This winter, however, he will be an unrestricted free agent.

Hwang, who is a six-time All Star, had a spectacular year in 2016. This year, joined the 20-20 club, second ever to do so in his team’s 35-year history. In 498 ABs, he hit for a .335/.394/.570 line with 27 home runs, 113 RBI, 97 runs, 25 steals and had a WAR of 6.07 (second among positional players). He missed a few weeks in May with a minor toe injury, ending his consecutive games played streak (618 games, good for third all-time), but he has been one of the most durable players in the league during the past six seasons.

Prior to the 2014 season, Hwang was not known much for his power, with his career slugging percentage at just .400. However, he realized that to become an impactful corner infielder, he had to increase his power output.

During the offseason in 2014, he hired a personal trainer, and focused heavily on weight lifting and proper nutrition. This transition successfully led to him gaining 15 pounds of muscle, which led to a surge in power numbers (41 doubles, 26 home runs, in 2015). But with the surge also came the rise in his strikeout numbers (going from 15.6 percent in 2014 to 20.5 percent in 2015)
. While the offseason training regimen helped with his power, carrying much more muscle mass likely took a toll on his body.

During the 2015 season, one of the big concerns by MLB scouts was that Hwang had a “sweeping long swing with a high strikeout rate.” Teams seemed unconvinced by his sudden increase in power. Sources tell me not getting any bids from MLB teams “humbled him even more” and he went on to work even harder during the offseason.

As a result, he further strengthened his body, but focused on shortening his swing. The affects showed in 2016, as he reached career-highs in batting average and on-base percentage while sustaining his power, and significantly lowered his strikeout numbers (see chart below).



The shortened swing was a critical task to accomplish for Hwang if he wants to have any success hitting inside fastballs in MLB. The average fastball velocity in the KBO is approximately 88 mph, while it is about 92 mph in the States. Although his swing is still a work in progress, it looks like the adjustment has been successful.

Here is one clip of Hwang, squaring up against a 96 mph fastball by Fabio Castillo this year.

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The gif shows it in the very end that the ball hit the very top of the scoreboard. It was estimated to have traveled 476 feet, marking as the furthest hit home run ever at Eagles Park.

I’ve had some major league scouts tell me that as for raw power, Hwang may be even ahead of Jung-Ho Kang. However, Kang possesses more bat speed, and has proven consistently to put up power numbers in games. Big question for Hwang is if he can continue to flash more power numbers during games.

A major drawback in Hwang’s hitting, however, is his pitch selection skill. While his improved swing in 2016 has helped with his pitch selection, he will need to improve further to consistently fair against MLB pitching. The scout went on to mention, “one thing that stands out is Hwang’s ability to hit high-velocity fastballs… I’ve noticed that he has no problem squaring up against 95+.”

On the defensive side of the ball, he’s been an average defender at third-base in the KBO. His lateral range is a bit limited, and he could improve on his footwork. Part of that could be blamed on defensive alignments and a different philosophy on fielding ground balls. In Asia, infielders are generally taught to sit back on ground balls, while in the U.S., it is usually the opposite.

Nevertheless, the footwork will need to be cleaned up for him to provide consistent defensive value at the hot corner. As for his arm, one scout told me, “He probably has the strongest arm out of any infielder coming out of Korea.”

Another scout said he is different than other former KBO position players that made it to the majors in recent years.

“Hyun-Soo Kim had a ML-ready bat. But he can’t run, has an accurate but weak arm and is a relatively bad defender based on his raw skillset — but he was ready to hit ML pitching right away. Byung-Ho Park had clear holes in his swing but he has an advanced approach, plus major league power and his game wasn’t going to change significantly.”

Regarding Hwang, he said “Hwang has raw power, a big arm and an average runner — all solid MLB tools you look for in complete players. But his approach is less advanced, his footwork needs work, and his base-running instincts are below ML-average.”

Compared to guys like Kim and Kang, Hwang is a more of a high-risk/reward project.

The things that Hwang must fix are, fortunately for him, fixable. There’s room to clean up in his game “but that’s why he wants to go to the States and learn to put it all together,” a source close to him told me. “His work ethic is second to none, he has the drive and discipline, but more importantly the desire. He wants to get better. He even hired a private English tutor and takes lessons once a week, because he knows he will have to make an adjustment once he gets to the States.”

The MLB third basemen free agent market is not flashy in upcoming offseason. Justin Turner will attract some big offers (assuming the Dodgers don’t lock him up) and that may be about it. Because the KBO players have been perceived to be “below market value” in cost, Hwang could become an attractive option for teams who are looking for the bang for their buck.

http://www.todaysknuckleball.com/ar...yun-hwang-koreas-next-position-player-import/
 

Sounds like just an article where Rosenthal wanted to mention the information he'd been sitting on--the Tribe was talking to Bautista.

I highly doubt it will happen--was probably more of a discussion in case we didn't get EE mixed with a little bit of due diligence.

I like that we're still active though--I'd love Boone Logan and a veteran OF.
 
View: https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/821019398991446016


Hmmm...

I'm a little scared if they are "in the bidding" on someone about to get a 18.5 million AAV deal with defensive questions that they might turn back to Trumbo...

Not that I want the guy myself but I wonder this. Is what is your reason for being so anti Trumbo? You seem to way more down on him than most people I talk to and I wonder if there is one major thing you do not like. That said I agree with you and I do not see it happening either.
 
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Not that I want the guy myself but I wonder this. Is what is your reason for being so anti Trumbo? You seem to way more down on him than most people I talk to and I wonder if there is one major thing you do not like. That said I agree with you and I do not see it happening either.

Because he is a 1 dimensional player, and he is inconsistent at that one dimension.

When your only positive as a player is your power, and you've only cracked the .800 OPS mark in your 6 year career 2 times and the .500 SLG mark 1 time, you aren't all that good at your one positive.

He's a terrible defensive player.
He doesn't get on base a lot.
He strikes out a lot.
He's a poor base runner.

All of his value comes from the fact that he is a lock to hit ~35+ HRs every year he is healthy, and that's it...

For what he is about to be paid, I'd hate to be the team paying him for those 35+ HRs...
 
Because he is a 1 dimensional player, and he is inconsistent at that one dimension.

When your only positive as a player is your power, and you've only cracked the .800 OPS mark in your 6 year career 2 times and the .500 SLG mark 1 time, you aren't all that good at your one positive.

He's a terrible defensive player.
He doesn't get on base a lot.
He strikes out a lot.
He's a poor base runner.

All of his value comes from the fact that he is a lock to hit ~35+ HRs every year he is healthy, and that's it...

For what he is about to be paid, I'd hate to be the team paying him for those 35+ HRs...

I knew he struck out a lot and was bad on defense but the more OPS and SLG I did not know off hand and holy crap, I get your reasoning. I also feel that is why he is not getting close to what he wants. What is the most you would pay the dude assuming the Indians actually do it what do you think would be fair? Secondly where would you put him the order? Again assuming for whatever odd reason this happens.
 
I knew he struck out a lot and was bad on defense but the more OPS and SLG I did not know off hand and holy crap, I get your reasoning. I also feel that is why he is not getting close to what he wants. What is the most you would pay the dude assuming the Indians actually do it what do you think would be fair? Secondly where would you put him the order? Again assuming for whatever odd reason this happens.

He's being hurt, like Bautista and Encarnacion are/were as well, because he has a draft pick attached to him.

The most I'd like to?

Something like what Michael Saunders just signed. 2/20, 2nd year team option.

What I think he gets? Probably like 3/50 with an option.

Where I'd hit him? 5th or 6th.

For all his negatives, the HRs are exceptionally good at one thing...putting the fear of God into pitchers/opposing managers, which in turn forces them to pitch to the guys ahead of him instead of pitching around them.

But it's pretty easy to see why Bautista has been tied to us and Trumbo hasn't to this point...and why we've been in the bidding for Bautista and not Trumbo...
 
He's being hurt, like Bautista and Encarnacion are/were as well, because he has a draft pick attached to him.

The most I'd like to?

Something like what Michael Saunders just signed. 2/20, 2nd year team option.

What I think he gets? Probably like 3/50 with an option.

Where I'd hit him? 5th or 6th.

For all his negatives, the HRs are exceptionally good at one thing...putting the fear of God into pitchers/opposing managers, which in turn forces them to pitch to the guys ahead of him instead of pitching around them.

But it's pretty easy to see why Bautista has been tied to us and Trumbo hasn't to this point...and why we've been in the bidding for Bautista and not Trumbo...

Good points and yeah he is not a fit here in the sense you want him to be. I did not know about the pick at all or forgot about it and yeah... with that tied on no thanks. If they did get him I would put him 6th and assuming we get a healthy Gomes 8th With again a healthy Brantley 7th. He is not a Viable option but who knows with Cleveland teams right now it "could" happen.

To be honest his defense is what kills it for me because you will have to DH Santana and times Edwin so I am not sure where he fits in. However Terry is the best at that game but I mean if we want a good defensive outfielder no way. He is slow and lazy in the field and unless he is not getting younger.
 
Anybody else have anxiety about CF? We have to address that area BEFORE Spring Training...right?
 

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