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Kevin Love Trade Ideas

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The Wizard of Moz said:
IND gets:
2018 Nets first rounder
2017 Celtics first rounder
2018 Celtics first rounder
2021 Cavs first rounder

BOS gets:
Kevin Love

CLE gets:
Paul George

Why Indy does it: It essentially takes admitting that they have no shot at taking down the Cavs in the East for the next 3-4 years and are just punting towards the future. It has more to do with the NBA having next to no parity than anything. Let's say LBJ goes down and you do get past the Cavs within the next few years.

1. Indiana isn't ahead of anyone else in the East pack so even assuming they win 2 more series in the East is kind of dicey

2. Good luck with the Warriors

I still don't think they'd be likely to do it because of fan relations and it's literally just waiving the white flag, but I mean does anyone see Indiana in the finals in the next 3 years (the length of PG-13's contract)? Short of an absolute gem in the draft (we're talking Greek Freak, Kawhi level) it's so unlikely

Why Boston does it: They have so many picks that they've basically just been wasting their own picks on Euro stashes. Might as well empty the cupboard a bit for a true star. They keep the pick this year that will likely be the best odds for the first pick in the lottery and will have a core of IT/Love/Horford to go with their pick this year and a ton of good role players.

Why Cavs do it: George can guard every Warrior. Good shooter. Would be the best #3 option in the league in a landslide

Edit: Still can't see Indy doing this while in the 6 seed. Just ignore this.
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No way in hell Boston gives up all those picks for Kevin love.
 
FrontPageNews said:
Yeah they suck at drafting but ainge values assets and picks over actual players.
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The bolded is true and I think that's why they aren't a serious contender right now. But at the same time I wouldn't just chalk it up to sucking at drafting. The mid teens are a tough spot to pick in. Yeah you will get your Greek Freaks and Klays, but for every one of them there are a whole lot of random Euro stashes or just shitty players. I mean the Celtics took Fab Melo 22nd overall in 2012 lol

Draft picks just aren't as valuable as proven commodities in the NBA. I really think that if you're only giving up one of the Nets pick and you get back a super star you do it immediately if you're the Celtics. I also think Ainge fetishizes assets to the point where I can see him (wrongly imo) just sitting on all of his assets and using them. But like Rich said, they'd have to send out salary as well which I didn't know so that trade I wrote up can't happen anyway
 
Celtics aren't gonna trade for Love. They know a front court rotation of Love, Horford and Olynyk will not be good enough to beat us or any other contender.

I really don't know who would trade for Love. He is still clearly a very good player when healthy. He has elite rebouding and shooting, which are becoming more and more important these days. But he'll always be a liability on defense and the match up issues will be exploited. You need to have a very good rim protecting center to cover for Love's weaknesses.

To be honest, every since we got Love I thought he wasn't the best fit. I thought LBJ was bound to take the power forward duties as he aged and small ball became more prominent. I'm on the trade Love train, but only for the perfect fit. I'm not trading for Carmelo, that's for sure. We need a defensive wing, preferably with a good outside stroke. We need someone to guard the Durants and Leonard's of this world. LBJ can't do it all forever. He might be able to, for short streches in the playoff, but we need to make the regular season easier on him.

I don't see any player we could realistically get that would without a doubt make us a better team. I'd love to get Jimmy Butler or Paul George, but that's not happening. Honestly, they're aren't many trade partners that I see...
 
Gonna try that PG/Love/Picks deal in 2K after I force the Celtics and Pacers to agree to it.
 
The problem with even beginning to discuss a package for Love on this board is about half the members think his value around the league is somewhere between a ham sandwich and Jordan McRae
 
The Wizard of Moz said:
The problem with even beginning to discuss a package for Love on this board is about half the members think his value around the league is somewhere between a ham sandwich and Jordan McRae
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Which is supposed to be the higher end of that range? Does this sandwich have cheese, too? That'd answer my question.
 
The Wizard of Moz said:
The problem with even beginning to discuss a package for Love on this board is about half the members think his value around the league is somewhere between a ham sandwich and Jordan McRae
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Love has pretty good value, he is an all star for a reason. But he won't net us a franchise player like PG or Butler by himself, you're just delusionnal if you think so. There is a reason we are on our way to get rid of him (because I do believe he is gone this offseason at the latest if we don't win the chip), Love is an awkward fit in modern NBA, he's kind of a mix between old and new school power forward. He would make for an awesome small ball center if he was either more mobile or more athletic.

Love's value is probably somewhere along the line of a top 40 player + good role players/picks
 
I've come to feel that Melo plus actual useful parts (like Avery Bradley, Jae Crowder, Kyle O'Quinn, or a high pick in this very good draft) would be a good deal for us. This team needs parts *badly* going forward -- we can't roll the dice on ring chasing 35 year olds every off season. And Melo will I think have something to give for the next two years at least.

When Love is at his best you can see flashes of a major contributor, but he has never been at his best for more than a month or two in the regular season or a single playoff series. We proved last year we can win a championship with Love contributing at a good role player level. Whatever you think about how much Love gave us in last year's Finals, it seems clear to me that he gave a lot less than, say, Melo + Bradley + Crowder or even O'Quinn would have given us.
 
cavsfever said:
I've come to feel that Melo plus actual useful parts (like Avery Bradley, Jae Crowder, Kyle O'Quinn, or a high pick in this very good draft) would be a good deal for us. This team needs parts *badly* going forward -- we can't roll the dice on ring chasing 35 year olds every off season. And Melo will I think have something to give for the next two years at least.

When Love is at his best you can see flashes of a major contributor, but he has never been at his best for more than a month or two in the regular season or a single playoff series. We proved last year we can win a championship with Love contributing at a good role player level. Whatever you think about how much Love gave us in last year's Finals, it seems clear to me that he gave a lot less than, say, Melo + Bradley + Crowder or even O'Quinn would have given us.
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For sure, I hope the FO sees this as well.
 
cavsfever said:
When Love is at his best you can see flashes of a major contributor
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That's the problem with Kevin. Given Kevin at his best and the team playing consistent, Cleveland is the best team in the NBA. His ability is that good.

Unfortunately, and in contrast, when Kevin's at his worst/hobbled...
 
The Wizard of Moz said:
IND gets:
2018 Nets first rounder
2017 Celtics first rounder
2018 Celtics first rounder
2021 Cavs first rounder

BOS gets:
Kevin Love

CLE gets:
Paul George

Why Indy does it: It essentially takes admitting that they have no shot at taking down the Cavs in the East for the next 3-4 years and are just punting towards the future. It has more to do with the NBA having next to no parity than anything. Let's say LBJ goes down and you do get past the Cavs within the next few years.

1. Indiana isn't ahead of anyone else in the East pack so even assuming they win 2 more series in the East is kind of dicey

2. Good luck with the Warriors

I still don't think they'd be likely to do it because of fan relations and it's literally just waiving the white flag, but I mean does anyone see Indiana in the finals in the next 3 years (the length of PG-13's contract)? Short of an absolute gem in the draft (we're talking Greek Freak, Kawhi level) it's so unlikely

Why Boston does it: They have so many picks that they've basically just been wasting their own picks on Euro stashes. Might as well empty the cupboard a bit for a true star. They keep the pick this year that will likely be the best odds for the first pick in the lottery and will have a core of IT/Love/Horford to go with their pick this year and a ton of good role players.

Why Cavs do it: George can guard every Warrior. Good shooter. Would be the best #3 option in the league in a landslide

Edit: Still can't see Indy doing this while in the 6 seed. Just ignore this.
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Need to bump this so if any of Griffin's lackeys browse this thread....
 
The Wizard of Moz said:
IND gets:
2018 Nets first rounder
2017 Celtics first rounder
2018 Celtics first rounder
2021 Cavs first rounder

BOS gets:
Kevin Love

CLE gets:
Paul George

Why Indy does it: It essentially takes admitting that they have no shot at taking down the Cavs in the East for the next 3-4 years and are just punting towards the future. It has more to do with the NBA having next to no parity than anything. Let's say LBJ goes down and you do get past the Cavs within the next few years.

1. Indiana isn't ahead of anyone else in the East pack so even assuming they win 2 more series in the East is kind of dicey

2. Good luck with the Warriors

I still don't think they'd be likely to do it because of fan relations and it's literally just waiving the white flag, but I mean does anyone see Indiana in the finals in the next 3 years (the length of PG-13's contract)? Short of an absolute gem in the draft (we're talking Greek Freak, Kawhi level) it's so unlikely

Why Boston does it: They have so many picks that they've basically just been wasting their own picks on Euro stashes. Might as well empty the cupboard a bit for a true star. They keep the pick this year that will likely be the best odds for the first pick in the lottery and will have a core of IT/Love/Horford to go with their pick this year and a ton of good role players.

Why Cavs do it: George can guard every Warrior. Good shooter. Would be the best #3 option in the league in a landslide

Edit: Still can't see Indy doing this while in the 6 seed. Just ignore this.
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Why would Boston ever do this? You make the Cavs unstoppable and give up a ton of picks to get Love? Boston could easily complete a trade for PG13, potentially without having to even give up Crowder, Brown, Thomas, or Bradley. If anyone's getting Butler or PG13, it's likely Boston.
 
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