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At this point, things are getting a little more clear where QBs are going to be and what the lay of the land is.

What is every ones preferred direction for the Browns QBs?

1. Trade for Garoppolo (unlikely to happen IMO)
2. Trade for Kirk Cousins (unlikely to happen IMO)
3. Draft Davis Webb in the 3-4th round, run with Kessler, pick up a true backup QB like Ryan Nassib, wait out till next year and put all eggs in the 2018 QB basket.
4. Draft a QB with the 12th pick and let Kessler/Rookie QB duke it out.
 
At this point, things are getting a little more clear where QBs are going to be and what the lay of the land is.

What is every ones preferred direction for the Browns QBs?

1. Trade for Garoppolo (unlikely to happen IMO)
2. Trade for Kirk Cousins (unlikely to happen IMO)
3. Draft Davis Webb in the 3-4th round, run with Kessler, pick up a true backup QB like Ryan Nassib, wait out till next year and put all eggs in the 2018 QB basket.
4. Draft a QB with the 12th pick and let Kessler/Rookie QB duke it out.

In order from least preferred to most, defining "working out" or "success" as saying, "Hey look, we have a pretty good quarterback!"

1.) Trade for Garoppolo. This to me has about a 20% chance of working out and it will cost the most in value/assets, assuming the 12th pick (at least) is involved. There was 3x-4x more tape on Osweiler last spring than there is on Garoppolo this spring, and now Osweiler is a complere pariah to the point where even the Browns don't want him.
3.) Draft Davis Webb and hope for next season. Granted I think Webb will go higher than this. But give him 7% and Kessler 2%. Running with either is likely to get us a top 10 pick. You have to hope upon hope that there's "an Andrew luck in the draft" (hint: there probably won't be) and if there is you will have to trade a ton of assets to get him. I estimate this plan has a 35-40% chance of success but you have to wait a year to do it.
4.) Just draft a qb with #12. Unless you think the QBs are all fatally flawed this year, (and they might be) this has a similar 30% chance of success as the above option, but at least you're making it happen this year.
2.) Trade for Kirk Cousins. Cousins has 2 consecutive quality seasons under his belt. He's 28 and anything can happen, but this is the surest way to QB stability. 70%.
 
At this point, things are getting a little more clear where QBs are going to be and what the lay of the land is.

What is every ones preferred direction for the Browns QBs?

1. Trade for Garoppolo (unlikely to happen IMO)
2. Trade for Kirk Cousins (unlikely to happen IMO)
3. Draft Davis Webb in the 3-4th round, run with Kessler, pick up a true backup QB like Ryan Nassib, wait out till next year and put all eggs in the 2018 QB basket.
4. Draft a QB with the 12th pick and let Kessler/Rookie QB duke it out.

My problem with No. 3 is the same problem I had with drafting Kessler in the first place.

Why would you draft Davis Webb in the 3rd or 4th round, presumably not play him as a rookie, if the plan is to then put all your eggs in the 2018 QB basket? You're essentially lighting a mid-round pick on fire at that point.

Look at the Jets. They picked Petty in the 4th round, he didn't play at all as a rookie. Then the following year they picked Hackenburg in the 2nd round, he didn't play at all as a rookie. Now they are rumored to be picking ANOTHER QB near the top of the first round (on top of possibly signing a Jay Cutler type). If they bite the bullet and pick Watson or Trubisky or whoever, then they basically wasted 2nd and 4th round picks the last two drafts.

I absolutely do not believe in the "draft a QB in every round" theory. At least not in rounds 3-5. In my opinion, you either draft a QB you think can absolutely start right away or nearly right away (and those guys go in the top 50 picks) or you pick a guy way late you see traits that you want to develop as a No. 3 guy and those guys go in the last 75 picks.

Yes, there are exceptions to every rule (Wilson, Cousins come to mind), but most mid-round QBs are overdrafted considering they rarely end up playing.
 
At this point, things are getting a little more clear where QBs are going to be and what the lay of the land is.

What is every ones preferred direction for the Browns QBs?

1. Trade for Garoppolo (unlikely to happen IMO)
2. Trade for Kirk Cousins (unlikely to happen IMO)
3. Draft Davis Webb in the 3-4th round, run with Kessler, pick up a true backup QB like Ryan Nassib, wait out till next year and put all eggs in the 2018 QB basket.
4. Draft a QB with the 12th pick and let Kessler/Rookie QB duke it out.

Here's where I am:

I'm not making any trades until draft night. We can talk about it and have the framework done on potential deals, but hold off until we see who is where.

Priority 1: Take Myles Garrett at 1 and don't even entertain offers. It's time to turn quantity into quality for a change. I don't care how many future picks you are offered.

Priority 2: Monitor the Mr. Biscuit situation. If Trubisky falls outside the top 4, now at this point, I think we can consider trading up if Hue likes him as much as is being claimed. Local kid, loves the Browns, and if Hue is sold I'm sold. At pick 5, ahead of the Jets, #12 and a 2nd is a good starting point per the draft value chart. We have traded with Tennessee (5) in the past, maybe they want their pick back. Trading to anything higher than 5 is far too many assets to give up in my opinion for this QB class.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/draft/draft-trade-chart/

Priority 3: Let's say we gamble that Trubisky may fall to us at 12 instead of trading up. The big balls play is clutch if it pays off. If not, and the Jets take him at 6, my backup plan is Jimmy G as no other quarterback is worth 12 in my opinion. This is dependent on if Hue likes him, of course. However, I do not offer more than what we would have had to give up to get pick 5.

Priority 4: We do not get Trubisky and we cannot agree on a deal to acquire Garoppolo (I'm convinced NE secretly wants to trade him). At this point, my plan is to go BPA all the way at 12. Build up that defense, and we need a safety. Perhaps Hooker falls here given his inability to workout for teams while recovering from surgery. Either way, BPA. At this point, the plan for me would be monitor the QB situation at 33. If Hue likes Watson enough and he slips to the mid-20's, which is known to happen once you get past 10, you can consider packaging 33 and moving back in. We have wonderful flexibility with all our draft currency. I don't love Watson personally, but I'll trust the FO.

Priority 5: We did not come away with Trubisky or Garoppolo because the price was too rich, and our FO doesn't like Watson. BPA again at 33, maybe Evan Engram if he's here at 33, or address a need at corner with Gareon Conley. Of course, if the FO has a nice value grade on Kizer or Mohomes, this would be the spot. If not, I'm waiting until middle rounds to draft a project, like Webb.

If we do not come away with Garoppolo, we are likely going to be starting Kessler until the rookie is ready regardless of who it is (perhaps mid season). I'm not against that, Kessler shows the makings of a decent NFL backup quarterback. Let's not kid ourselves, though, he's not our starting quarterback of the future.

The roster would then have Rookie and Kessler. If we get nothing for Osweiler and we plan to outright cut him, I'd consider keeping him as a body. Ideally we trade him for something, and sign a veteran quarterback for the meeting rooms and show our pups the ropes. Maybe Ryan Fitzpatrick is ready for this role after his flame-out. McCown would have been great for this.

There's literally so much that can happen and we have so many draft tools at our disposal. If there is one QB that our team is completely sold on, there really isn't a reason we can't make it a reality. We can move anywhere we need to. The above is just my current game plan.
 
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At this point, things are getting a little more clear where QBs are going to be and what the lay of the land is.

What is every ones preferred direction for the Browns QBs?

1. Trade for Garoppolo (unlikely to happen IMO)
2. Trade for Kirk Cousins (unlikely to happen IMO)
3. Draft Davis Webb in the 3-4th round, run with Kessler, pick up a true backup QB like Ryan Nassib, wait out till next year and put all eggs in the 2018 QB basket.
4. Draft a QB with the 12th pick and let Kessler/Rookie QB duke it out.

I elect 3 confidently. I sincerely believe that if our line is as good as it can be and we draft a traditional between-the-tackles runner and snag a decent looking wideout, Kessler might do okay for himself in year two of NFL strength and conditioning and Hue's system. Everyone wants rip us for passing on Wents but Kess wasn't much worse..
 
In order from least preferred to most, defining "working out" or "success" as saying, "Hey look, we have a pretty good quarterback!"

1.) Trade for Garoppolo. This to me has about a 20% chance of working out and it will cost the most in value/assets, assuming the 12th pick (at least) is involved. There was 3x-4x more tape on Osweiler last spring than there is on Garoppolo this spring, and now Osweiler is a complere pariah to the point where even the Browns don't want him.
3.) Draft Davis Webb and hope for next season. Granted I think Webb will go higher than this. But give him 7% and Kessler 2%. Running with either is likely to get us a top 10 pick. You have to hope upon hope that there's "an Andrew luck in the draft" (hint: there probably won't be) and if there is you will have to trade a ton of assets to get him. I estimate this plan has a 35-40% chance of success but you have to wait a year to do it.
4.) Just draft a qb with #12. Unless you think the QBs are all fatally flawed this year, (and they might be) this has a similar 30% chance of success as the above option, but at least you're making it happen this year.
2.) Trade for Kirk Cousins. Cousins has 2 consecutive quality seasons under his belt. He's 28 and anything can happen, but this is the surest way to QB stability. 70%.

There is a 143% chance those percentages are made up. :chuckle:

I think Garoppolo has a decent chance of being a FQB, with anything the price will determine how big my appetite is for him.

Cousins I think is a known commodity and will consistently fall in the 10-20th best QB in any given year. You can win with that. Not sure Washington is willing to trade him unless they love a QB in this class and we provide a pick that assures them they can get him.

I like Kessler actually. I think Kessler can be in the 15-25 range of starting QBs honestly. Accuracy, leadership, work ethic and intelligence are all qualities that keep QBs on the field even if they don't have the strongest arm.

Davis Webb intrigues me. He has the size, athleticism, leadership, accuracy, experience and has faced adversity at the college level. Obviously his experience is in the air raid offense which doesn't translate great to the NFL but it's not impossible. I also like his price tag of possibly a trade down in the 2nd round or using a 3rd on him.

I am really not a fan of the QBs at 12. I just don't have confidence in them to pass up on the talent that is already there.
 
My bad...posted it before I finished reading the article. Doesn't seem likely the browns would take 2 qbs with their defense needs in the draft


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There is a 143% chance those percentages are made up. :chuckle:

I think Garoppolo has a decent chance of being a FQB, with anything the price will determine how big my appetite is for him.

Cousins I think is a known commodity and will consistently fall in the 10-20th best QB in any given year. You can win with that. Not sure Washington is willing to trade him unless they love a QB in this class and we provide a pick that assures them they can get him.

I like Kessler actually. I think Kessler can be in the 15-25 range of starting QBs honestly. Accuracy, leadership, work ethic and intelligence are all qualities that keep QBs on the field even if they don't have the strongest arm.

Davis Webb intrigues me. He has the size, athleticism, leadership, accuracy, experience and has faced adversity at the college level. Obviously his experience is in the air raid offense which doesn't translate great to the NFL but it's not impossible. I also like his price tag of possibly a trade down in the 2nd round or using a 3rd on him.

I am really not a fan of the QBs at 12. I just don't have confidence in them to pass up on the talent that is already there.

Agree with you on Kessler. I think he might be competent as a starter this year.


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There is a 143% chance those percentages are made up. :chuckle:

I think Garoppolo has a decent chance of being a FQB, with anything the price will determine how big my appetite is for him.

Cousins I think is a known commodity and will consistently fall in the 10-20th best QB in any given year. You can win with that. Not sure Washington is willing to trade him unless they love a QB in this class and we provide a pick that assures them they can get him.

I like Kessler actually. I think Kessler can be in the 15-25 range of starting QBs honestly. Accuracy, leadership, work ethic and intelligence are all qualities that keep QBs on the field even if they don't have the strongest arm.

Davis Webb intrigues me. He has the size, athleticism, leadership, accuracy, experience and has faced adversity at the college level. Obviously his experience is in the air raid offense which doesn't translate great to the NFL but it's not impossible. I also like his price tag of possibly a trade down in the 2nd round or using a 3rd on him.

I am really not a fan of the QBs at 12. I just don't have confidence in them to pass up on the talent that is already there.

I am leaning towards McCarron coming to Cleveland rather than Grappolo since A) he will not cost as much draft pick wise and B) he knows the offense and likely would be a good fit for this team. Then I would still draft a Webb/Dobbs type of guy later so the QBs we have would be McCarron, Kessler and Webb/Dobbs and if the team likes a QB in the 2018 draft, we have the trade assets to go get him, but if McCarron puts up solid numbers then it's possible we keep him long term.

I like Kessler personally as well so if he is my starting QB for the season then that's fine, I just see a solid QB in him not a franchise one.

That would be my personal strategy, but then again I wanted to trade a second round pick for Cousins instead of drafting Manziel. Washington publicly stated they would have traded him for a second. And I also wanted to draft Cousins to backup McCoy. (Aka I never wanted Weeden or Manziel, I wanted Cousins or McCarron, but such is life lol)
 
It's tough to say based on how badly Hue wants to fix our QB problem as soon as possible. I would prefer to wait until 2018 as I think Josh Rosen is going to be a bonfide star in the NFL. However, the risk of waiting to 2018 doesn't guarantee you shit given how we could end up with a pick in the 5-10 range next season while the top 2 teams end up needing QB's and we miss out completely.

I think #12 is going to be used on a QB and I will be okay with it given it's who Hue wants. We go into the season with Brock/Kessler/Rookie and whoever looks the best will start.

(who? Hue. who? Hue who? Hue.)
 
I am leaning towards McCarron coming to Cleveland rather than Grappolo since A) he will not cost as much draft pick wise and B) he knows the offense and likely would be a good fit for this team. Then I would still draft a Webb/Dobbs type of guy later so the QBs we have would be McCarron, Kessler and Webb/Dobbs and if the team likes a QB in the 2018 draft, we have the trade assets to go get him, but if McCarron puts up solid numbers then it's possible we keep him long term.

I like Kessler personally as well so if he is my starting QB for the season then that's fine, I just see a solid QB in him not a franchise one.

That would be my personal strategy, but then again I wanted to trade a second round pick for Cousins instead of drafting Manziel. Washington publicly stated they would have traded him for a second. And I also wanted to draft Cousins to backup McCoy. (Aka I never wanted Weeden or Manziel, I wanted Cousins or McCarron, but such is life lol)

Why would Cincy trade McCarron here? I thought Mike Brown had a grudge against us , plus we are a division rival.


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It's tough to say based on how badly Hue wants to fix our QB problem as soon as possible. I would prefer to wait until 2018 as I think Josh Rosen is going to be a bonfide star in the NFL. However, the risk of waiting to 2018 doesn't guarantee you shit given how we could end up with a pick in the 5-10 range next season while the top 2 teams end up needing QB's and we miss out completely.

I wonder about the possibility of a tradedown at 12 for some team reaching for a QB. Grab another first round pick for next year, pick further down in the first round, and get more ammo to move up next year in a better QB draft. I could live with that.

I'm coming around to the idea that trying to slam a square peg -- our need for a QB, into a round hole -- this year's QB class, is not a good idea in the first place. Plenty of picks to upgrade the team significantly elsewhere. This reeks of the kind of draft where teams have very particular opinions about the different QB's, and someone may be desparate enough to trade for "their guy" at 12.

I actually don't mind giving Kessler a shot either. I just worry about his durability, so we'd better have someone else lined up for when/if he goes down.
 
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