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Well, Guice played against the exact same guys Fournette did, behind the exact same line, and gained more yards. Not sure why that isn't worthy of at least some interest if the issue is "best back in a decade".

I think it matters to some degree but Fournette was doing it against 8-9 guys in the box on EVERY play. To me, that's why I don't really get caught up in comparative YPC stuff because it isn't necessarily apples to apples from a defensive scheme standpoint. Unless you're saying Guice ran against 8+ man fronts as well?

I really struggle thinking about where I would take him but at 12, with an infusion of talent on the OL, I mean.....I can see why people would get excited. Again, I'm more of a "draft a RB when you are ready to compete" guy but 12 is just a NPA value slot for me. Whoever the best football player is, take him in that spot. If it is a RB, it is a RB.
 
Fournette will be a bust.

Trust me.

Disagree! The backs I've seen fail in the pros after success in college have three tells:

1. Can't pass block, therefore are useless when they aren't the focal point of the offense.

2. Scatbacks without great speed who can take hits from the future insurance brokers but can't take hits from an NFL defense who matches their speed with more physical mass.

3. Upright runners without vision who take a lot of hits but don't have forward lean.

Fournette seems safe to me.
 
I think it matters to some degree but Fournette was doing it against 8-9 guys in the box on EVERY play. To me, that's why I don't really get caught up in comparative YPC stuff because it isn't necessarily apples to apples from a defensive scheme standpoint. Unless you're saying Guice ran against 8+ man fronts as well?

Yes, I am.
 
Disagree! The backs I've seen fail in the pros after success in college have three tells:

1. Can't pass block, therefore are useless when they aren't the focal point of the offense.

2. Scatbacks without great speed who can take hits from the future insurance brokers but can't take hits from an NFL defense who matches their speed with more physical mass.

3. Upright runners without vision who take a lot of hits but don't have forward lean.

Fournette seems safe to me.

Agreed. Behind the right OL, and in the right offense, he could be spectacular. He's not Trent Richardson because he actually has good vision.
 
Depends what he plans on getting there.

But on a serious note, I posted that tongue in cheek. However, I don't think he's going to be a superstar RB like many seem to think.

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I figured. I do think the NFL has moved into a mandatory two back league. Sports science is showing that a workhorse running back is going to take too many hits and eventually break down. It makes taking a running back a difficult choice with a top 5 pick, even if Elliot saved the Cowboys last year.
 
I figured. I do think the NFL has moved into a mandatory two back league. Sports science is showing that a workhorse running back is going to take too many hits and eventually break down. It makes taking a running back a difficult choice with a top 5 pick, even if Elliot saved the Cowboys last year.

I would be surprised if Fournette ends up as a better back than Elliot. Elliot is as good at bursting through small holes as any back I can recall in the last decade.
 
So, this isn't the sexiest topic but who do we think is going to end up manning right tackle? We are clear that we have four well above-average starters but cements himself as the last piece? I tried to look around a bit to see if Coleman seemed to be making any headway on refining his technique but I guess that's a story for training camp. He was a fairly early selection so I would have to think the FO has expectations of him eventually becoming a starter.
 
So, this isn't the sexiest topic but who do we think is going to end up manning right tackle? We are clear that we have four well above-average starters but cements himself as the last piece? I tried to look around a bit to see if Coleman seemed to be making any headway on refining his technique but I guess that's a story for training camp. He was a fairly early selection so I would have to think the FO has expectations of him eventually becoming a starter.

Coleman looked good against the Steelers, moves really well and is a plus run blocker. He looked pretty raw in his technique, but any guy with his size that can move well deserves a shot.
 
Nobody wants to admit it but Erving didn't look bad against the Steelers either. One of them will do the job well enough.
 

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