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Those people are idiots. And it is cognitive dissonance to be pro-LGBT (which I assume they are) and then also say attraction isn't hardwired but something that is influenced by social influences.

There's a difference though, right? I mean, people tend to be more attracted to older ages as they age, so there are factors of attraction that are influenced by society and circumstance. I don't think it's an either or situation.
 
Transgender weightlifter wins international women’s competition, sets national record

http://www.outsports.com/2017/3/20/14983388/transgender-weightlifting-laurel-hubbard-wins


If I was a woman in that competition I'd be very unhappy about this.
You mean if you made training your only focus for an extensive amount of time and lost your rightful place as the winner because a man entered the competition for women and won by 19kg? Yea, id be upset too.

I think every woman competing would be upset that they have to compete with men in weight lifting.
 
When I was a little kid and had crushes on girls, it was always on white girls. I was also only really around white girls when things were starting to...move around. I wonder if that's the case with most people.

I have found that I have a mental block on attraction to East Asian women and the vast majority of black women. There are literally no exceptions on the Asian women and the handful of exceptions on the black women are ones with very "white" looking facial features and "white" looking hair.

On the other hand, I'm attracted to a lot of white women who have stereotypically "black" bodies, with bigger asses and wider hips. Thicker girls.

I don't have a "type" per se, as in there's not only one type of woman that I've always been into or fetishized, because there's a huge range of women I find attractive. Body type, skin tone, height, etc can all vary. But I am generally attracted to, and have been from even being a little little kid, "white" females.

I am definitely NOT attracted to women who are not white.

Don't know what that's about or whether that's common, but I have the feeling it has to do with the girls I was around early on when I started having crushes and playing doctor with girls and all of the early experimental stuff.

To be fair you will suck both white cock and BBC so no, i dont think you are prejudice.
 
You mean if you made training your only focus for an extensive amount of time and lost your rightful place as the winner because a man entered the competition for women and won by 19kg? Yea, id be upset too.

I think every woman competing would be upset that they have to compete with men in weight lifting.

What's really unfortunate, and I realize my earlier quote was dripping w/ sarcasm, but Laurel Hubbard does matter. Just, so does everyone else.

I get frustrated w/ every political stance ending in someone painting a story of a victim to demonize the current leader. There's winners and losers in every decision. Traditionally speaking, you rule w/ logic. The needs of the many, yadda yadda, thanks Spock. These issues do not meet that logic at all. It's the needs of the few outweighing the needs of the many. How is that more fair than what was there already?
 
What's really unfortunate, and I realize my earlier quote was dripping w/ sarcasm, but Laurel Hubbard does matter. Just, so does everyone else.

I get frustrated w/ every political stance ending in someone painting a story of a victim to demonize the current leader. There's winners and losers in every decision. Traditionally speaking, you rule w/ logic. The needs of the many, yadda yadda, thanks Spock. These issues do not meet that logic at all. It's the needs of the few outweighing the needs of the many. How is that more fair than what was there already?
Most of the left have good intentions, but many of their legislative proposals do more harm than good.

Writing policy on emotion is bad policy because you're overly sympathetic to one group or person and tend to not "put yourself in the shoes" of other people. This is a particularly good example of that.
 
A transgender athlete, Sunday’s event was her international debut after being cleared by the International Olympic Committee and International Weightlifting Federation to compete against other female lifters.

Hubbard, formerly known as Gavin, had to demonstrate that her testosterone levels were below a certain threshold for 12 months before competing.
 
A transgender athlete, Sunday’s event was her international debut after being cleared by the International Olympic Committee and International Weightlifting Federation to compete against other female lifters.

Hubbard, formerly known as Gavin, had to demonstrate that her testosterone levels were below a certain threshold for 12 months before competing.

I get the IOC sanctioned it. What else could they do? Say no and deal w/ the Angry Mob?

Also, where's all the female-male transgenders that are mopping up the Mens leagues?

Sports historically was a Man's thing here. Women have fought to get their leagues created and funded and have made great headway as of late. This really calls for its own group, but I would imagine there's not enough interest to merit/fund it.

It's a problem for these folks, but like Women dealt w/ when there wasn't enough interest, you're kinda screwed. I don't say that lightly, nor in a "tough shit" kind of way. But more in a, there's just really not a lot that can be done. Seriously, it's sad for Laurel to be in that position. Athletes just want to compete. I just personally can't agree w/ the one person spoiling it for the rest. I say that w/ the caveat of, I'm assuming that the fellow community is not supportive. If they all welcome it and this is just 3rd party complaining then, rock on. I don't get that as being the case, however.
 
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...169676-5b50-11e6-9aee-8075993d73a2_story.html

The first-ever study of transgender athletes showed that the hormone therapy that facilitates male-to-female transition does more than just suppress testosterone. Published last year in the Journal of Sporting Cultures and Identities, the study showed that as testosterone levels approach female norms, trans women experience a decrease in muscle mass, bone density and other physical characteristics.

“Together these changes lead to a loss of speed, strength and endurance — all key components of athleticism,” the study’s author, Joanna Harper, wrote in The Washington Post. Harper, who is chief medical physicist at Oregon’s Providence Portland Medical Center, a trans athlete and a participant in the IOC meeting that overhauled the trans guidelines, explained to me that “it’s not the anatomy that matters, it’s the hormones.” After a year of hormone therapy, for example, female trans distance runners completely lose their speed advantage over cisgender women.

Related: Do transgender athletes have an edge? I sure don’t.


Okay, so science is science, but are the new rules fair? The IOC, no pushover when it comes to hormones and meds, said it wanted to make sure “that trans athletes are not excluded from the opportunity to participate in sporting competition” and that the overriding objective is “the guarantee of fair competition.” But what constitutes fair in sport?

“Every athlete, whether cisgender or transgender, has advantages and disadvantages,” said Cyd Zeigler, author of “Fair Play: How LGBT Athletes Are Claiming Their Rightful Place in Sports” and a co-founder of Outsports. Chris Mosier, the first out trans man to compete on the men’s U.S. national team at the International Triathlon Union Duathlon World Championship in June, expanded on that: “People come in all shapes and sizes,” he said. “We don’t disqualify Michael Phelps for having super-long arms; that’s just a competitive advantage he has in his sport. We don’t regulate height in the WNBA or NBA; being tall is just an advantage for a center. For as long as sports have been around, there have been people who have had advantages over others. A universal level playing field does not exist.”
 
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...169676-5b50-11e6-9aee-8075993d73a2_story.html

The first-ever study of transgender athletes showed that the hormone therapy that facilitates male-to-female transition does more than just suppress testosterone. Published last year in the Journal of Sporting Cultures and Identities, the study showed that as testosterone levels approach female norms, trans women experience a decrease in muscle mass, bone density and other physical characteristics.

“Together these changes lead to a loss of speed, strength and endurance — all key components of athleticism,” the study’s author, Joanna Harper, wrote in The Washington Post. Harper, who is chief medical physicist at Oregon’s Providence Portland Medical Center, a trans athlete and a participant in the IOC meeting that overhauled the trans guidelines, explained to me that “it’s not the anatomy that matters, it’s the hormones.” After a year of hormone therapy, for example, female trans distance runners completely lose their speed advantage over cisgender women.

Related: Do transgender athletes have an edge? I sure don’t.


Okay, so science is science, but are the new rules fair? The IOC, no pushover when it comes to hormones and meds, said it wanted to make sure “that trans athletes are not excluded from the opportunity to participate in sporting competition” and that the overriding objective is “the guarantee of fair competition.” But what constitutes fair in sport?

“Every athlete, whether cisgender or transgender, has advantages and disadvantages,” said Cyd Zeigler, author of “Fair Play: How LGBT Athletes Are Claiming Their Rightful Place in Sports” and a co-founder of Outsports. Chris Mosier, the first out trans man to compete on the men’s U.S. national team at the International Triathlon Union Duathlon World Championship in June, expanded on that: “People come in all shapes and sizes,” he said. “We don’t disqualify Michael Phelps for having super-long arms; that’s just a competitive advantage he has in his sport. We don’t regulate height in the WNBA or NBA; being tall is just an advantage for a center. For as long as sports have been around, there have been people who have had advantages over others. A universal level playing field does not exist.”

Do we see a lot of cases of transgenders dominating men's leagues? Genuine question. All I could find was a case in TX where one is trying to get into the Men's league.
 
Alaskan wrestler just won all state i believe.
Do we see a lot of cases of transgenders dominating men's leagues? Genuine question. All I could find was a case in TX where one is trying to get into the Men's league.
 
Do we see a lot of cases of transgenders dominating men's leagues? Genuine question. All I could find was a case in TX where one is trying to get into the Men's league.
Hell if I know. I'm not sure one has anything to do with the other tbh. Maybe it's too polarizing right now for trans men to want to compete. Or maybe it just hasn't happened yet. The sample size is pretty small on both sides.
 
And just for the record what she scored would have gotten her bronze in the 2014 commonwealth games and 8th place in the rio olympics.
 
And just for the record what she scored would have gotten her bronze in the 2014 commonwealth games and 8th place in the rio olympics.

Laurel Hubbard, you mean?

On the Women's or the Men's team? I'm not being snarky, just unsure of which leage you're saying that was score was done in (and what you're implying it means).
 

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